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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 11:41 PM
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Flat top pistons

I am rebuilding a 400m and was wondering what the benefits are of putting flat top pistons in and if they are worth the extra money.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 01:23 AM
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A 400 (no M) really wakes up when the compression is increased. It was a real good engine when introduced in 1971 and everybody wanted one. Unfortunately they ruined it the next year.

High Performance Options for the 351M/400 Engine by Dave Resch
 
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 11:27 AM
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that's kool but it doesn't answer my question.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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yes it does.

stock pistons have a big dish in them. flat-tops don't.
so with everything else the same, you get higher compression.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 11:29 PM
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about how much are they?
 
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:46 AM
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TMI (sponser) sells the Badger for 170 or so. Not sure what he has in stock. SOmetimes you can find them for a bit less but they are not always abundant and tim has a lot of knowledge to go along with his product. Search this forum and you will find a plethora of info...

There a 3 ways to legitimately bump compression which is what the 400 needs to make it a legitimate contender with the best of motors- which it is. You can go with stock pistons and heads off australian 351b motors- cost 4-$500 or more to your door
but them you can buy special made kb pistons from tmi that provide incredible quench and 9.5:1 cr that will run on 87pump- with performer intake and carb and you will get an easy 440 ft lbs and 340hp with a rv type build.

You can also get the badger pistons or kb flattop pistons for a cleveland and have them bushed- similar result.

Next is to deck the block and heads etc....more expensive and limits use imo.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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How high can you bump compression on an 78' egr 400, and keep it smog legal?
 
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 08:10 PM
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dunno man i live in canada so i'm good to go.
 
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Keeping it smog legal would be about 8.0:1, otherwise the NOx increases etc. That is why it was reduced in the first place. You would also have to have all of your emissions equipment operational.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2006 | 09:52 PM
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gotta wonder if the current fuel blend is enough to help a 9:1 engine pass? it's been a long time and a lot of changes in the fuel since they "smogged" the 400 to death. i suspect the doctors lost that patient unnecessarily. new vehicles are coming out at 10:1 and higher under much more stringent standards, granted they are computer controlled but there should be a happy medium for the tune-up that'll get you through the lane
 

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fwiw: i'm running ~8.7:1 static compression and have had no problems passing smog in CA. then again, my '82 E350 is considerd 'heavy duty' and got a break emissions-wise. latest smog cert in my gallery.
 
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Those pistons look like the Autotech/Racetech pistons. They are about the most reasonably priced custom pistons available right now. The set that I got from them a couple of months ago took about 8 weeks to arrive. It'll probably take a heck of a dish to keep your compression below about 8.5:1. I'd have to figure it out but I bet that you'll need about 25cc or so.

 
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Back to nomad, ignition curve can also be manipilated to deal with compression.
 
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I want to say a flat top piston in a 400 is something like 12:1 compression. I.E. not street friendly. This is why TMeyer has been so successful with his line of pistons.

AutoTech / RaceTech will make you a custom forged dished piston in whatever compression you like for a reasonable price.
 
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Originally Posted by Torque1st
A 400 (no M) really wakes up when the compression is increased. It was a real good engine when introduced in 1971 and everybody wanted one. Unfortunately they ruined it the next year.

High Performance Options for the 351M/400 Engine by Dave Resch
I had a 71 LTD with a 400 in it
It needed a bit more compression too
 
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