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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 05:50 PM
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predetonation trouble!!!!

i have a 78 f150 with a 400 in it. about 6 weeks ago this ping showed up. it is not at idle but is there at all other speeds. have set timing back to around 6 degrees and have unhooked my vacuum advance. when warm i have around 20 hg steady at the intake. have put on an hei dist on it but it ran fine for a couple of months then it went south. motor does have some wear on it not sure of the miles. i have ok oil pressure and have changed the rod/main bearings to rule that out. i am running 93 octane. no one seems to be able to help. can my carb cause this? its a edel 1405. need new ideas as i have been trying everthing. please offer any help you can!!! thank you so very much!!!
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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Do you have an EGR?
Is it hooked up and working?

Is the ping at light throttle or heavy load?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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i have no egr, at idle nothing but it shows up after it warms up at light throttle and louder driving at about 50 mph. can there be something wrong with the pick up coil on my hei dist? or maybe the module inside there?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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it also seems to get loudest when i let off of the gas pedal around 50 mph?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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I could be a lean mixture in cruise mode. Check your metering rods & primary jets. Try to go one stage rich. The edelbrock website will give you the info that you need.

It may be too much timing advance too soon. You should check your total advance and at what RPM it occurs. I don't know what advance curve those HEI dists are set for. The stock advance curve is too soon for a motor with no EGR. I think that you are the second person, that reported a similar problem and he also had an HEI dist.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 02:34 AM
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it also seems to get loudest when i let off of the gas pedal around 50 mph?
I've never heard a engine ping when off the gas. Do you still have 20in of vac? Would check that hei out, an is the orginal timing chain still on?
 
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 02:58 AM
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sorry, i ment when i get on it the ping is not as noticable but when i am up to speed and i let off trying to maintain a certian speed it gets alot louder. i changed the timing chain and gears less than 4 months ago.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 03:00 AM
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i do not know if i still have 20hg driving down the road, i guess i could rig up a gauge to put in the cab if its important?
 
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 03:20 AM
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I was wondering on the vac reading for timing chain wear. Truck sitting an at idle reading is good enough and I see you said chain was replaced.

I would really look at your timing curve. Not sure on the carb, as danlee said, check out their website
 
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 06:48 AM
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sorry, i ment when i get on it the ping is not as noticable but when i am up to speed and i let off trying to maintain a certian speed it gets alot louder. i changed the timing chain and gears less than 4 months ago.
This is light throttle ping. It is most likely due to an agrressive ignition timing advance curve. This type of advance curve is used with EGR. Since you have no EGR, you must change the advance curve.

Who is the manufacturer of your HEI dist?

See if you can get the timing advance specs from them.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 08:16 PM
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procomp is the maker of my dist.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 08:25 PM
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procomp is the maker of my dist.

Good Luck! They make a nice product, but support is not so good.

Try Tim Meyer, he is a Procomp dealer.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 09:33 PM
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thanks but how would i contact him?
 
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thank you very much.
 
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