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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 08:22 AM
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<snip>If you keep forgetting to do this, write yourself a note, "LOCK DOORS" and tape it to the dashboard...not really that hard to do...
I usually try not to reply to posts like this, but this one is more than a little insulting.

As an electronics and software engineer, I am not a moron, nor are the other people asking for this feature.

Also, this circuit only parallels the existing lock/unlock circuit. It draws less current (less than 0.001A) than the circuit that keeps the radio memory alive (which means it draws almost nothing), and I do not consider this to be "messing around with the electronics in the vehicle" any more than installing a car stereo. The one and only control signal sent by my circuit is a 50 millisecond pulse---and any press of any UNLOCK button overrides both my circuit and/or any press of any other LOCK button at the same time.

The OP was asking for automatic locks, not for insulting opinions.</snip>
 

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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jpark
Those and other key sequences work only on Fords already equipped with automatic door locks.

The exact Escape/Mariner/Tribute sequence is as follows:

Make sure all doors are closed and the ignition is in the LOCK position.

1) Turn the ignition to the 3 (RUN) position.
2) Press the power door unlock control (on the door panel) three times.
3) Turn the ignition from the 3 (RUN) position to the 1 (LOCK) position.
4) Press the power door unlock control three times.
5) Turn the ignition from the 1 (LOCK) position to the 3 (RUN) position.
6) The horn will chirp once to confirm programming mode is
entered/active.
7) Press the power door unlock control on the door panel one time.
8) Press the power door lock control on the door panel one time. Note:
The horn will chirp once to confirm the feature is OFF, or the horn will
chirp and then honk to confirm the feature is ON.
9) Turn the ignition to the 1 (LOCK) position. Note: The horn will chirp
once to confirm the programming mode has been exited.

Repeat the previous procedure to turn the feature on or off.

If there is no horn chirp or chirp/honk after step 8, your Escape/Mariner/Tribute is NOT equipped with automatic locks.

Escapes built before August of 2004 do NOT have automatic door locks. This includes 2005 "Job 1" Escapes, Mariners, and Tributes.

Also, the electrical systems for 2001-2004 Escapes and Tributes are almost entirely different from 2005-model-year Escapes, Mariners, and Tributes.
I tried this on a 2005 Escape. (Build date 04/20/05)
I get the chirp/honk which tells me the auto door locks are enabled, but they still dont auto lock.

Is there something else to turn on?
 
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by smallello
I tried this on a 2005 Escape. (Build date 04/20/05)
I get the chirp/honk which tells me the auto door locks are enabled, but they still dont auto lock.

Is there something else to turn on?
My 2005 was built on 4/16/2004, and step 8 produces no horn signal.

Are you sure that there was a horn signal in step 8, and not just in step 6?

Anyway, here's something interesting. The original 2005 Escape owner's manual DID mention automatic locks. I downloaded the on-line manual in early 2004, but Ford quickly replaced that manual with another one that did NOT mention automatic locks. The procedure is SLIGHTLY different:

"
Before starting, make sure that the ignition is in the 1 (LOCK) position
and all vehicle doors are closed.
You must complete Steps 1–7 within 30 seconds or the procedure will
have to be repeated.
1. Turn the ignition to the 3 (RUN) position.
2. Press the power door unlock control three times.
3. Turn the ignition from the 3 (RUN) position to the 1 (LOCK) position.
4. Press the power door unlock control three times.
5. Turn the ignition from the 1 (LOCK) position to the 3 (RUN) position.
6. Ensure that the vehicle’s horn chirps. This chirp indicates that the
feature is in an enable/disable mode and ready to accept program
changes.
7. Press the power door unlock control one time, then the lock control
two times, in order to toggle the autolock feature.
8. Ensure that the horn chirps one time; there should only be one horn
chirp, indicating that the autolock feature has been deactivated. If one
chirp is heard, followed by a longer sound of the horn, the autolock
feature has been reactivated.
9. Turn the ignition to the 1 (LOCK) position in order to exit the
enable/disable mode.
10. Ensure the horn chirps one time to indicate that the programming
mode has been exited.
"

Notice that step 7 mentions pressing the lock control TWICE, not once.

Try this procedure. Neither procedure works on my 2005...
 

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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jpark
I usually try not to reply to posts like this, but this one is more than a little insulting.

As an electronics and software engineer, I am not a moron, nor are the other people asking for this feature.

Also, this circuit only parallels the existing lock/unlock circuit. It draws less current (less than 0.001A) than the circuit that keeps the radio memory alive (which means it draws almost nothing), and I do not consider this to be "messing around with the electronics in the vehicle" any more than installing a car stereo. The one and only control signal sent by my circuit is a 50 millisecond pulse---and any press of any UNLOCK button overrides both my circuit and/or any press of any other LOCK button at the same time.

The OP was asking for automatic locks, not for insulting opinions.</snip>

Give me a break, there was nothing insulting about my post.

It is just common sense that if you want the door locked while you are in the car, just lock them, what is so insulting about that?
Automatic door locks could, I say could, lead to locking the keys inside your vehicle...at least that is the way it was when these automatic locks first came out...newer software makes it harder to do this...

I still say, save yourself a lot of trouble and just lock the doors manually after you are inside the vehicle, what is so hard about that? The note on the dash would be just a reminder until it became force of habit to lock them. You tell me you have that much going on when you get inside your car that locking the doors would be to much to handle?

One other thing, I do NOT make insulting remarks on website about cars! I would think as smart as you say you are, you would of seen that it was NOT insulting and more of helpful tip to those less qualified in the workings of the electronics of an automobile..

Thank you..
 
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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tonyford
Give me a break, there was nothing insulting about my post.
[sigh]

1) This circuit can only send a LOCK signal when the transmission is in gear, and only after the brake pedal is depressed and then released. Most people with feet in the car can't lock themselves out of the car with the engine running, with the car in gear, and with no foot on the brake. If you had taken a few seconds to actually READ the details of the circuit, you would have seen that.

2) Well...nevermind. This is why I don't normally reply to posts that tell people to "push down on the button that has an icon of a door" and then say they're not treating anyone else like an idiot.

With that, I'm done here, too.
 

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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jpark

Notice that step 7 mentions pressing the lock control TWICE, not once.

Try this procedure. Neither procedure works on my 2005...
I take this to mean it may not work no matter what beeps I hear...lol

Could there be a bug that prevents it from working? BTW it is in my manual that came with the truck.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2006 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tonyford
Give me a break, there was nothing insulting about my post.

It is just common sense that if you want the door locked while you are in the car, just lock them, what is so insulting about that?
Automatic door locks could, I say could, lead to locking the keys inside your vehicle...at least that is the way it was when these automatic locks first came out...newer software makes it harder to do this...

I still say, save yourself a lot of trouble and just lock the doors manually after you are inside the vehicle, what is so hard about that? The note on the dash would be just a reminder until it became force of habit to lock them. You tell me you have that much going on when you get inside your car that locking the doors would be to much to handle?

One other thing, I do NOT make insulting remarks on website about cars! I would think as smart as you say you are, you would of seen that it was NOT insulting and more of helpful tip to those less qualified in the workings of the electronics of an automobile..

Thank you..

Most people would have interpreted the remark the same way JPark did. He's left and that's a shame as JPark probably knows more about the Escape's electrical system than anyone outside of Ford. He also found all the parts needed and came up with the procedure to convert the Escape's fuel door to remote release using a combination of Mazda Tribute and Ford of UK parts, one of my favorite mods. Nice.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorJ
Most people would have interpreted the remark the same way JPark did. He's left and that's a shame as JPark probably knows more about the Escape's electrical system than anyone outside of Ford. He also found all the parts needed and came up with the procedure to convert the Escape's fuel door to remote release using a combination of Mazda Tribute and Ford of UK parts, one of my favorite mods. Nice.
Ok, now I know who JPark is...How do you know he left? And would you leave a website because of a misinterpretation of a post?
Geez, if you can't state an opinion about something without the other guy getting his feelings hurt, what is the sense?

It also seems GatorJ has nothing better to do but quote me on his posts. Why don't you start posting original thoughts instead of following me around??

Thank you...
 
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Old May 8, 2006 | 08:09 PM
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I just took delivery of a 2006 Hybrid and will be selling my 02 XLT shortly. All 06 models come with the auto door lock feature. After living with it a few days I can assure you that the prospects of locking yourself out due to this feature are non-existent. Before this feature engages the vehicle has to have been started, in gear AND moving. Only when you are actually driving do the doors actually lock. Ford has also added a feature that automatically unlocks the driver's door even if the driver attempts to lock the doors if the key is left in the ignition. To review, to get locked out you would have to start the truck, put it in gear, drive, somehow get the key out of the ignition without turning the vehicle off, leave the keys inside (but not in the ignition), get out and lock the doors. I am pleased to announce the system appears idiot-proof.
 
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Old May 9, 2006 | 12:08 AM
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I am pleased to announce the system appears idiot-proof.
Well, I tell you what, I will bet you someone, idiot or not, will find a way to lock their keys in a vehicle with this feature even with all those safeguards. If there is the slightest chance this can happen, it will sooner or later to somebody.

What does it say about the doors in a crash? Will all the doors automatically unlock themselves?
 

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Old May 9, 2006 | 01:16 AM
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Yeah, but people lock their keys in the car all the time anyway. I can push the button down with my hand and lock them in there, should we get rid of the button?
 
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Old May 9, 2006 | 06:40 AM
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Well, I tell you what, I will bet you someone, idiot or not, will find a way to lock their keys in a vehicle with this feature even with all those safeguards. If there is the slightest chance this can happen, it will sooner or later to somebody.

What does it say about the doors in a crash? Will all the doors automatically unlock themselves?
Not because of this feature....impossible.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 04:53 PM
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I have a 1999 Ford F-350, when I turn the key from off to run, the doors lock. I have tried the sequence above and it does not work for this truck. I have fixed this problem on my later model trucks but they lock when you put the truck in drive or hit a specific speed. This one locks when you turn the key. It is an automatic 4x4 with a 7.3L diesel. Does anybody have an answer for this?
 
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Old Oct 31, 2006 | 01:16 PM
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Has anyone successfully built and installed this module? Or found another solution? Thanks.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2006 | 08:25 AM
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I have a 1999 Ford F-350, when I turn the key from off to run, the doors lock. I have tried the sequence above and it does not work for this truck. I have fixed this problem on my later model trucks but they lock when you put the truck in drive or hit a specific speed. This one locks when you turn the key. It is an automatic 4x4 with a 7.3L diesel. Does anybody have an answer for this?
If you mean getting the factory locks to work using the owner's manual key sequence, Ford probably changed something in the sequences.

If you mean that you built this circuit and tried it in your '99 F-350, that's because the electrical system and polarities of the signals are different. 1999 Ford trucks did not use the type of Smart Junction Box used in the 2005+ Escapes.

That's also why my circuit specifically states that it's specifically designed for 2001-2004 (or 2005+ with another circuit) Escapes.

And it does work. It's not software or firmware. It's actually a simple logic circuit that locks (and/or unlocks) the doors when certain conditions are met. With the transmission in park, the circuit's lock signal is blocked, plain and simple, and the only way this circuit can lock the doors is with the transmission in gear and the brake depressed and then released. The doors can lock again when the circuit detects interior lights, then the brake is depressed and released, but only with the transmission in gear.

And I have this circuit working on my Job 1 Escape Limited. It's been working for two years with no SJB errors, and no component in this circuit even gets warm. The circuit draws far less current with no ignition than your stereo, and the inputs and outputs are all extremely low-current. It's all simple logic, not a hack. It simply takes signals from circuits in the car and parallels the lock/unlock input. And the lock/unlock switch,when unlock is pressed, will always override any lock signal, plain and simple.

In fact, the circuit I've designed for myself also corrects the turn signals so that the final flash is a full flash, even if the turn signal lever is shut off in mid-flash. And, when the doors are unlocked with the car off, it also flashes the hazard lights four times and then lights the parking lights until the driver's door is opened, the interior lights fade, or the doors are locked.
 

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