i guess you found the words i couldnt find when i posted this. i just had my first cage fight Jan 21st, made a few posts about it... anyways... *I* made the choice to go into that ring, no one forced me to and i wasnt going to be punished if i didnt.

tha animals on the other hand, dont have a choice. dont get me wrong here, i have no interest in PETA, other than "people eating tasty animals"
i hunt often. i just think no animal should need to be tortured to death

 

The British also outlawed ownership of pistols to all except the "privileged" and you have to have a permit to have a long gun in your house. Just because the Brits do it doesn't mean we have to.

I have no problem with bull fights. The bulls aren't hobbled and they aren't de-horned.

 

no animal *should* be hurt or killed.

rabbits shouldn't be eaten by foxes, male sheep/bulls/goats shouldn't be castrated, fattened and killed.
hell, even the ducks in my pond are violent. The males will often drown the baby males, should too many be born at one time.

nature has it's way.
I can't say if it's right or wrong, just seems the way it is.

drew

 

My cheers are also for the bull. WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY BULL FIGHTS HERE IN CENTRAL NEW JERSEY so the more knowledgable members may correct me if I'm wrong here but don't they stab the $*#t out of the bull first (with some kind of spear or something) to slow him down? If that's a fact it doesn't sound too "fair" to me. I think if the bull kicks the crap out of the matador the bull should get to live out the rest of his life on a nice farm "doing" the heck out of all the bovines he can handle!!!

 

You are off on a topic that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread . . . I brought up the bloodsports of the British as an example of bloodsports in general. You might want to familiarize yourself with bloodsports before posting - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_sport although some things listed there I have no personal problem with, such as hunting and fishing. Oh, and cricket-baiting

And you might want to actually view a true spanish style bullfight before you make statements of how the bulls are treated before the "fight". Or maybe do some reading -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullfighting
Read about the filing down of the horns too. heh

"The picador stabs the bull with his lance to weaken it, often leading to a considerable loss of blood on the part of the bull. The idea is to weaken the bull, making it possible for a matador on foot at the end of the bullfight to attempt to stab the bull with a sword between the bull's shoulder blades."

"In the next stage, the suerte de banderillas ("act of the banderillas"), the three banderilleros each attempt to plant two coloured, harpoon-pointed sticks (banderillas, literally "little flag") on the bull's flanks. These further weaken through loss of blood the enormous ridges of neck and shoulder muscle which set fighting bulls apart from ordinary cattle, while also frequently spurring the bull into making more ferocious charges. The placing of the banderillas is also the last chance to correct or fine tune the charging tendencies of the bull. Some of the more skilled matadors will often do this themselves. If the bull proves to be extraordinarily weak or unwilling to fight, the presidente may order, to the disgrace of the breeder, the use of black banderillas."

 

Smiley, I'll make any comment on this board that I want to. I've watched many bullfights. I don't need to go to wikipedia to find out what's going on in the world. I've lived life. You don't know what the hell you are talking about other than reading some BS on the internet. One other thing, if you don't want to discuss the British, don't bring them up.

 

First, I never said you could not post whatever you liked, only that what you posted was basically off the topic of the thread and the rest of your post was basically ignorant and contained contradictions, just like the last one above. I tried to point out your ignorance and posted links to help you, sorry that I thought I could help you see your poor logic.

Second, "I'll make any comment on this board that I want to."

 

Smiley, point out my ignorance. Let me see it. All you did was copy and paste something from wikipedia.

Face it you've never been to a bullfight. I said that bulls aren't hobbled and they aren't dehorned. Show me the ignorance. I DO believe that it is wrong to hobble an animal or muzzle an animal but that's not the case here. You brought up blood sports in England. Those examples don't fit the bullfight case. The bull can and will kill you if you aren't skilled enough. If you're against bullfighting so much, then you had better be killing those deer with a single bullet instantly or you are just as bad as the bullfighter. I've killed a lot of deer and at least 50% of them don't die instantly. I have no problem with it as long as I make a good attempt and I do my best to finish the kill in a timely manner.