Do you think Ford will ever offer a V10 with E-85 fuel cababilities?

Oh the money we could all save!!!

 

That is probably the one thing that would drive me to buy a new V10. That, and the presence of E85 pumps here on Long Island

 

OK both you guys school me on what you think is so great about E-85

For you wallet
For the planet
What


Seriously I want to know

 

ford is already way ahead of you. their is a great article on this on the net. ford has made e-85 supercharged v-10's as part of their flex fuel program. but a release date has never been set. so it may not ever be.

 

Less oil is always a good thing.

Granted CO2 emissions are probably just as bad, but NOx and maybe HC's are lower ...

I'd take the power cut just to support the corn farmers in the USA, or at least, I hope it comes from the USA

Price is comparable or lower than gasoline, usually... right?

 

e85 is also corrosive and produces little power. which is why a supercharger may be needed.

 

produces little power???

My sister is running E-85 in her Sport-trac and just the "seat of the pants" feel it has a lot more kiddy up and go. It only reduces her fuel economy by 1 to 1.5 mpgs.

and the price is 45-50 cents/gallon cheaper then unleaded.

 

Go to this site for info.

http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/faqs/e85.php?topic=E85101

Ethanol has less energy content than gasoline. However, E85 also has a much higher octane (ranging from 100 to 105) than gasoline. FFVs are not optimized to E85, so they experience a 5% to 15% drop in fuel economy. This will vary based on temperature and driving conditions.

 

I'd be right with you at the dealership Krewkat! We need it on Long Island for the heavy traffic

 

My opinion is that alcohol augmentation of the oil supply is junk science bunko crapola.

Some random thoughts from a dumb *** that bought into many liberal tree hugging attitudes about BIG OIL:

There is more Oil on this planet then arable land

There is not currently enough arable land to feed the 6 BILLION inhabitants efficiently

The weird price fluctuations of gasoline and diesel occur more because of our own self inflicted environmental concerns then any supply problems

We import oil form distant countries because the British and the Americans explored and found those resources.

Even at 70-80 dollars a barrel it is cheaper then our domestic resource (because they are saving the stuff for when the price is really really high)

Politicians screwed the program up with trade agreements and treaties (sorry folks But I have spent a great many un recoverable years of my life in the middle east and know for a fact that the oil ARCO, BP, Shell, Texaco, and Exxon pumps out of the ground is refined and sold locally in the middle east for less then 30cents a gallon. I have paid as little as 5cents for a gallon of gasoline in Dahmam, Riyadh, Rafa, Basrah, and Kuwait City).

Do you really believe that OPEC and the Arab Oil imbargo put us in long lines durring the 70s....do a little history research.

A better understating of fuel prices can be found by becoming knowledgeable of the stock markets and futures trading.... They screw up the deal much more then the hurricanes or Arabs ever could.

Who is more to blame for $5.599 per gallon in Atlanta during Katrina... scared citizens, or the news media?

Canada, Mexico, and the entire US territories have enough Oil and Gas resource to sustain all three countries well into the future

What is the major export product of Viet Nam?
What significance to this issue do the Spratly Islands have?
What are shale and sand Oil fields, and where are the closest large fields to us?
Why is Anwhar significant?
Relative to all the current U.S. drilled, capped or tapped oil fields; what proportion do the Florida and California coast lines represent?

If we insisted on a U.S wide modernization to our rail system we could significantly reduce the over the road diesel needs?

If we better planned and laid out our cities and urban sprawl; requiring mass transit and local economic centers we would dramatically reduce poor air quality where it is worst, Big cities

Alcohol from beets, and corn is NOT a long term viable solution, it diverts land from food source growning, and eventually needs petroleum augmentation (fertilizer, funny how they don't mention that)


Hybrid, energy accumulating or reclaiming, smart cars and trucks are a good idea, offer respectable performance, economy, and safety

Several cities on central Europe require autos within the city to be full electric and they significantly reduce pollution, and noise

Getting the Hundreds of Millions of 2 stroke motors out of production and off the streets in Asia, India, and South America will reduce pollution a lot more then a piddly 260 Million Americans on bicycles ever could.

Why not focus policy and effort where the real problem is........ and stop the self deprecating anti American nonsense!

You should want to know all about wind generation, wave action, solar, clean coal processing, and Nuclear power generation and the amount of oil redirected to air travel and automotive use? Do some googling and learn what the news won't tell you.

Do you think the oil companies made Billions and Billions and should be punished? Careful what you and your capitalistic life style wish for. Bad precedent

What does all this have to do with a Ford V10 powered PICK UP TRUCK?

Hey Capt, Wrench, Ken, or Art... refresh all our memories about your recent pollution emissions tests and facts about how clean or dirty the V10 motor is.

I don't know about the rest of you folks but I NEED a 415 Cubic inch 350+ HP 455+ Torque Pickup truck to haul my loads. Using a very stable, safe 7800 Lb truck to do these missions and still manage 8 to 12 MPG is an extraordinary feat.

I reject any tinkering to make this class vehicle 1 or 2 percent more fuel efficient ESPECIALLY at the loss of any amount of POWER or performance!

 

Besides the obvious rant, I'll say one or two things.

No one said anything about fuel efficiency

Flex-fuel vehicles have been running on the highways for a long time. Explorer V6, and Taurii I think.

I would not be against flex-fuel for a V10 - as an option, I hope, so it doesn't **** off Fred too much

 

I think I reflected on this a while back but fred you should know better than many the benifits of high octane fuel. Right know the FFV are made to run on both and because of this they aren't efficiant with the E85. As far as gasoline having more energy, isn't that a null point? We aren't heating water, we're creating an explosion!!! If E85 is essentially achohol and technically has an octane of 100+. The compresion should be upped in order to utilize the higher ocatane. You would have at least as much power as we have now and chances are you'd have more than the gasoline drinking counterpart. Also E85 burns extremely clean as far as internal "cleanliness", there would be no need for gas line antifreeze for those of us in the colder climates, and we would have a regeneratable supply of fuel. I believe that one bussial produces around 3 gallons of ethonal fuel, that seems like a pretty good number to me. It would free our dependance on foreign oil, wether we have it here or not nobody can argue that we're arn't currently depending on the foreign oil markets. Also china and asia has had hudge explosions in the consuption of oil with the developement of there countries and have already began bidding wars when it comes to new found reserves of oil.

I learned much of this one week ago when I was attending the 42nd annual North Daktoa Water Convention and Irrigation Expo. They had a representive of one of the oil companies on hand as a speaker, which might I add was quite interesting. He even went as far as saying that Biodiesel, Ethonal, and other sources of alternative fuels are no longer considered compatition but now considered by the oil companies as a solution to a problem that right now cann't be solved with just crude oil. He also stated that fuel will never return to less than $2 per gallon (yes I know some places are in the $1.90s) but I beleive he was talking the national average. It was also stated that fuel should be back in the 2.50 range by spring and will again reach $3 within a 1-1.5 years, I remember some of wht he was talking about the futures market but don't remember the specifics.

I guess the point of my rant is that E85 and Biodiesel are good regenerable alternatives, unfortunatly it will take time for the distibution network to be in place so it is avalable in every city. at that point I believe you will wee E85 vehicles that only run on E85 and not both. Also I forgot both E85 and Biodiesel can be conveyed through the current distrabution systems which is what is most appealing about them and keeps them as a feesable source of future fuel.

 

you take the corporate big oil line of corn based ethanol being a non starter junk science.

Come to Iowa my intelligent compadrie, the largest ethanol refining state in the union. A state which offers a 10cent tax subsidy for every gallon of ethanol sold to the consumer. A state where all fuel stations sell ethanol (E-10), and new E-85 stations are on line and awaiting EPA installation approval..

Try burning a several of tanks of Ethanol E-10 in your V-10, you will be amazed at how well it performs on 89 octane ethanol fuel instead of the 87 octane dinosar unleaded.

And as far as farmers using fertilizer to grow the corn, Tis true, but also, the dried by product of the corn mash used to produce ethanol is distillers grain, which cattle feeders purchase as a feed supplement. Another income source. Lots of ethanol detractors fail to mention that byproduct's income from their break even equations.
And lastly Ethanol production has some estimates as much as 10 cents per bushel increase the farmers receive for each bushel of corn raised. And you know what those farmers do with more money for the corn--spend it in town!

Flex fuel V-10's, and all engines are a good thing for Iowa, and the nation.

Don't believe all the crapola big oil is spreading about ethanol.

 

SLE and 4wd you are both situated in a location of the world that is agricultural and thus are subject to propaganda and non-sense by the likes of the fellow who you heard give that presentation. I don't take "BIG OIL" word for any thing either. I do research, add a dose of world experience, add another dose of common sense and a large dose of don't believe any thing I see or hear from the new media, and nothing of what ANY politician says.

First please understand that my perspective is from a very wide world view and the fact that I have spent 31 years of my 50 in many different countries.

Second... I am fully aware of the obvious cash benefit corn producers enjoy. But at what cost? Not talking about your or my pocket but this is a planetary issue and FOOD is seriously greater problem on this planet then OIL.

In fact I actually have the loud, adamant, and rude question of: HOW dare farmers divert arable land from food crops to make a cheap, temporary, fuel alternative just to be guaranteed some extra dollars per acre and for us to save a few pennies at the pump?

Third, relative facts of life: The news media ALWAYS has an agenda, The Politicians are ALWAYS lying, The Oil companies are in business to make a profit, Interstate commerce is a Necessity, Air Travel is a Necessity, Arable Land in the planet is a finite resource, Diverting arable land from food production is a gross mistake, (OK maybe not a fact but my humble opinion)

There are at least three immediate efforts that can reduce green house gasses 1000% more then if the entire American population started walking to work. (you are aware that the politicians are being sold on E85 as a pollution free fuel)

Here is a relevant problem for you to solve: If a fully electric vehicle can achieve transport of 2 adults to and from work and typical shopping trips 10 times a week at infinite MPG ratios, how much fossil fuel or coal resources will be needed? Hint energy is energy

Same goes for using land for a fuel crop.... there are energy requirement that seriously dilute the stated value of the fuel energy produced. In fact in the full cycle there is NO TANGIBLE savings. Just a diversion scheme to guarantee LARGE SCALE farmers a more stable economy of scale then compete in the food crop game (an entirely different but similar political issue)

If the current V10 motors EXCEED all EPA and CAFE standards (artificially instituted against no sound science requirements) why do we need to convert then to a FFV design that obfuscates the planetary issue? Who profits? Who pays? What is the tangible gain?

At what cost to otherwise typical use of the arable land. How many corn or beet crops can an acre of arable dirt sustain before fertilization is required? How many tons of petroleum based nitrogen is required per acre per year. How many watts of energy is required to produce the fertilizer? Have you ever visited a Political Lobby web site, or contributed to a PAC? Are you aware that your elected officials are filled with crap science every day non-stop by these paid shills?

These are very serious issues that have long ranging and dangerous consequences.

Do you know, in Millions of barrels, what the current American Oil consumption is?

Knowing that figure, how many years of supply does the most conservative estimate of Anwar represent?

(I am not providing answers so that you may do the hard work of learning facts instead of relying on my word) Hint google or yahoo or ask Jeeves will open your eyes, all for the cost of a few web searches and brief scanning of many different facts from various trustworthy and full of crap sources.

4wd, SLE, and others following.... all I am recommending or suggesting is that before you throw your support for one of hundreds of solutions, then you need to be aware of all the other solutions and the cost benefit ratios. You must also be skeptical enough to wonder OUT LOUD why this or that shill would be pushing one idea over any other.

Corn sold to alcohol distilleries for a mandated fuel use has the potential for a very stable and predictable yield per acre and cost per acre situation. Growing for food is much more volatile and unpredictable. ALL the E85 proponents want GOVERNMENT mandates for the product. That alone tells me a LOT!

Now before all of you jump my *** for my overly skeptical attitude and anger...please remember that all of us here on this Forum are talking about GIANT PICKUP TRUCKS..... not family commuter vehicles.

It is my loud attitude that this class WORK Truck should never be considered for these requirements. I am all for very strict requirements for automobiles, especially city bound personal conveyances. However I still reject diverting food crops to motor vehicle fuel as a fundamentally flawed idea.

Additionally, The American Clean Air requirements EXCEED ALL other countries standards ALREADY by a wide margin. We need not continue this expensive crippling of our work base and commercial interests. If you don't like the Air in down town Los Angels on a sunny July afternoon then carry your butt to Paris, Frankfurt, London, Hong Kong, Beijing, or Bangkok and then ask why the hell we are fussing with all this self flogging nonsense! I have been to all of these places and the rest of the free world can kiss my *** until they are equal to, or exceed our excellent world wide example!

Green House gasses are a real problem, But I assure you, we in America are well ahead of the rest of the civilized world in cleaning up the environment. And it is costing us $$$$Trillions. Oil shortage is a myth. (look it up!) We need to get the electrical grid off Oil. We need to restrict combustion engines in dense packed cities. We need to get the north east off fuel oil for heating. We need to exploit nuclear. wind, wave, and Geo thermal sources....but we never will be in a position to have to divert Food crop arable land to personal convenience travel.

This is and intricate problem that is MUCH more complex then the CNN Bleached Blond babe can ever explain in 30 seconds.

 

Wow, I thought I heard the Star Spangle Banner softly in the background!