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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 12:38 PM
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Computer problem i think

how would i check if im getting power to my ECU. OR how would i tell if its bad. im getting to power to my fuel pump or injectors or anything i have a 91 ranger with a 2.3L in itiv posted before on the Ranger truck fourms heres what i wrote there

1991 2.3L Ranger 2wd-----okay im totally confused im not getting any power down to my fuel pump the wirings good i check the relay it good i ran a jumper wire within the relay connection and i get the pump to run the pressures only 22psi i got a new pump and put it in now i got 40psi but still all the engine will do is crank crank and crank . iv put a new fuel filter on so thats not the problem and iv got spark. the first thing i checked was the interia switch and its fine.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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Here is a diagram of your system, if you have a test light maybe we can put something together.

 
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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by subford
Here is a diagram of your system, if you have a test light maybe we can put something together.


ok i ran some checks. first i ran i voltage check on the PCM

KOEO-----Pin#------volts

-----------8--------0 volts
---------- 37------- 12 volts
---------- 57------- 0 volts

these are the pins on the pcm connection


next i ran a conitity check. from pins 37 and 57 to the fuel pump relay and also pcm relay the conitity was good but also if i ran the wire from pins 37 or 57 to a ground it also had conituity. would this mean a break in the wire. and also how would i check the computer to see if it was good and is there anything else i could do.thank you for the wiring diagram.
 

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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 04:27 PM
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i have a scanner and everytime i try to pull the codes it reads error. so i tried to pull the codes with a analoge voltage meter and that isnt working either
 
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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 07:10 PM
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I do not know how you can have 12 volts on 37 and 0 volts on 57. Not sure where the splice is in the Red wires but then you say you have continuity to ground on both. This doesn’t add up, if 37 has continuity to ground it would and should blow fuse #8.
What are you using to check voltage and continuity with?

 
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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 07:27 PM
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a voltage meter i bought at walmart
 
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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 07:32 PM
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i check it again tomorrow but im pretty sure i checked it right
 
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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 07:52 PM
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57 should have 12 volts on it.

You may get some strange readings if you try to read 37 and 57 to ground. You need to make sure when you are taking continuity readings, that the meter is on the rx1 scale, and you only need to be concerned if you get a zero reading. In other words, put the meter leads together on the rx1 scale and see what reading you get. Then measure continuity to ground on this same scale. If you get any reading slightly higher than you got with the meter leads touching each other, then you are probably ok. These two leads you are reading have lots of coils and stuff on them, so you will get a reading to ground, although I don't know how low it will be.

Here's a full diagram of your trucks engine wiring.

http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/g...3d800ba9ca.gif
 
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Old Dec 11, 2005 | 09:09 PM
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couple of things to remember, when you turn the key on the FP relay will only be live for about a second, then it goes dead, and it wont come back on until the computer senses engine rpm, so with out cranking the engine it wont be hot. So #8 will be dead if it isn't cranking.

If you get voltage at #8 for a second when you first turn on the key, but you don't while it's cranking then teh computer probably isn't getting a signal from the crank sensor/cam sensor.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by subford
I do not know how you can have 12 volts on 37 and 0 volts on 57. Not sure where the splice is in the Red wires but then you say you have continuity to ground on both. This doesn’t add up, if 37 has continuity to ground it would and should blow fuse #8.
What are you using to check voltage and continuity with?

Hey your right it does blow fuse number 8 but whats the culprit. so your from Easton, ks. i live 40ml SE of Hays, ks
 
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mike_23us
Hey your right it does blow fuse number 8 but whats the culprit. so your from Easton, ks. i live 40ml SE of Hays, ks
Try unplugging the PCM, and replace the fuse, turn the key to the run Pos. and see if the fuse blows and the Power Relay makes (closes).

I do not live in Easton, that is the Post Office I get my Mail through. I live in western Leavenworth Co. just North of where Danni Boatwrigh from Survivor Lives.

 
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 01:04 PM
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yep it blew and the realy closed
 
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yep it blew and the realy closed
With the pcm unplugged?
Before or after the relay made?
 

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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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ok the only fuse lying around was a 60a so i used that. with the pcm unplugged it didnt blow it but with it plugged in the fuse would blow either it just got really got and it still didnt start
 
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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 05:19 PM
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ok the only fuse lying around was a 60a so i used that. with the pcm unplugged it didnt blow it but with it plugged in the fuse would blow either it just got really got and it still didnt start
Well with a 60A fuse if the PCM was not bad before it more than likely is now.
You could still have another problem like a shorted Converter Clutch Solenoid or other shorted relays or solenoids but with 60 Amps running through the grounding devices in the PCM if not bad before they probably are now.
 
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