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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 09:47 PM
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starting fluid, too much?

I think I have few bad glow plugs and not enough time to replace them. I had been using a small shot of starting fluid to start my truck when I couldn't plug it in. Well I must have sprayed too much because now the motor won't turn over. Please help I need to know how to get it unlocked.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 10:11 PM
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Even a little is too much!...............If ya let it sit for a bit, it should turn over again.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2005 | 10:51 PM
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The safest advise is to never use starting fluid on these engines. If you really need a chemical starting aid try a small amount of spray WD40. I carry a can in my truck because it's supposed to work with a lot less risk of damaging any underhood componenets than ether.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 08:38 AM
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Did you get it going?
 
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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Never use starting fluid. If the glow plugs are activated you could get premature ignition (men know about these things). The G/P can ignite the ether at any point in the stroke and really screw things up. Plus the starting fluid dries out the cylinders, not a good thing for ring or cylinder walls.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2005 | 06:43 PM
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rule of thumb if the vehicle has glow plugs starting fluid should not ever be any where near it. But if you do use starting fluid don't ever spray it down the intake just spray the air filter.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tdford
The safest advise is to never use starting fluid on these engines. If you really need a chemical starting aid try a small amount of spray WD40. I carry a can in my truck because it's supposed to work with a lot less risk of damaging any underhood componenets than ether.
I think it's the propellant in the WD-40 that helps, not the fluid itself. It's pretty unlikely that the lubricant makes it all the way into the combustion chamber, but the propane gas used to propel it makes it there easily.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 10:38 AM
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I've heard of some people using ether and tried to start the engine and blew the piston out the bottom of the engine
 
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 11:25 AM
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I've heard of some people using ether and tried to start the engine and blew the piston out the bottom of the engine
Thats one of those urban myth deals, not that you can't cause damage becuase you definatly can but blowing a piston out the bottom of the engine think about what that would entail. More likely scenerio is blowing injectors out of the head, blowing head gaskets, and even lifting the head would be all possible but to blow the piston out the bottom would require breaking the crankshaft in peices, and even though doing that would be possible having enough force left to shove the piston through the pan isn't nearly as likely because power is going to go through the path of lieast resitance.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 08:19 PM
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Only use either if the glowplugs are disconnected, also, things like it drying out the cylinders? Tell that to the old '56 Fordson Major Diesel sitting out back, it has never hurt it, or our '90 F-350. Kind of the same thing as engines becoming addicted to either, don't happen. Another unsafe method of firing a diesel is a bit of gas down the intake, it does work though. I actually saw some some kind and his buddy blow the head off his jetta diesel with either though, that was kind of funny. Dummies didn't know how to use it I guess.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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How many seconds of a burst do you consider a small shot? On a 855 cu in engine 5 seconds is plenty.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 08:55 PM
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Less than one second.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 10:09 PM
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I started mine for over 2 years with starting fluid .One very small shot next to the drivers side headlight did it every time . I did get laughed at a lot from the newer diesel owners . Finally weened it off ...lol. Not really , I just fixed my glowplugs . I had no Idea how simple it was . I keep a can handy just in case the glowplugs malfunction , but I haven't had to use it yet . Well there was this one time at band camp ...lol.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 10:38 PM
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So, ya don't think a piston could make it's way into pan?

Piston In The Pan Click on the link. This is from a GP tip dropping onto the piston. Baja
 

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Old Dec 10, 2005 | 10:42 PM
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No I didn't say the piston couldn't end up in the pan, I said the pistons coming out the bottom the engine isn't possible. I have heard guys make the claim of blowing a piston clear out the bottom of the engine, which is different from shattering a piston, and putting the pieces into the pan.
 
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