I put these questions down here in the V10 thread and not up in the Super Duty thread because the V10 engine will be at the heart of my next purchase and I respect the majority of feed back this V10 site offers.

Filling up my truck at the gas station the other day, I was watching the many Super Duty trucks go by and it dawned on me that a great majority of the SD's purchased in this country come in the heaviest configuration Ford offers. I think most of you will agree that most SD's have the diesel engine, automatic transmission, 4 wheel drive, SC or CC, and XLT or above trim lines.

Because the weight of a truck can make a significant difference in handling, acceleration, balance, ride, and fuel economy, I would like a little help in determining what these different Super Duty configurations weigh.



What is the weight difference:

1. Between the Diesel 6.0 and the V10.....................?

2. Between the 4X4 and 4X2.........................?

3. Between the auto tranny and the stick..............?

4. Between the XL and the King Ranch...............?

5. Between short bed and long bed..............?

I'm not looking for exact science here, just a reasonable ballpark number. I know it's possible to build a Super Duty that's lighter on it's feet than what the majority of people buy. But by how much?

And my last question.......Have some of you guys who have owned Super Duty trucks in different weights noticed much of a difference in the handling, ride, and acceleration from one to the other? Thanks.

John

 

Can't help you with the weight of the individual components, but I suspect mine is one of the lightest around, with a scale weight of 6,340 (full tank, and me at 180) because of the lack of any options but dually.

However, you might also want to consider the performance differences and not just the weight. For instance, the "difference" between a manual transmission and an automatic, is a thousand pounds! I.e., my manual is rated for 14,000 pounds conventional towing, but with the automatic, changing nothing else, its 15,000 pounds.

Ditto with the gears, which could actually weigh almost the same. When towing conventionally with a diesel, the rating difference between a 3.73 and a 4.10 axle is 2,500 pounds.

These are the weights that count.

 

Can't help with the comparisons but here are the configurations and numbers of the two Suoperdutys I have owned.

2001 F250 4 door, Short bed, 29 gal fuel, 4x4, Auto, Platinum Edition: Scaled with me and full fuel at 6,864Lbs

2005 F350 4 door, Long bed, 38 gal fuel, 4x4, Auto, Kiing Ranch: Scaled with me and full fuel at 7,881Lbs.

The much heavier 2005 is better acceleration (4.30:1 vs. 3.73:1 in the 2001)
Tha handling is about the same, very stable and corners fast and hard with great balance and biased towards *** eng breaking looses first. Even on badly off camber turns the front end does not have a sloppy heavy push like my 7.3L PSD did (much heavied front weight bias)

The 2005 with coil sprung 4x4 on the front end is a little harsher ride then the leaf sprung 2001 4x4 version but the MUCH improved turning radius offsets this negative in my opinion.

 

You need to go here www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/
under specifications all the info you want is there.
Except your last question

There is nothing wrong in the Superduty Forum for asking questions like this.
We can be trusted.
This forum is specifically for v-10 engine questions only
Its getting a little out of hand with non v-10 questions.
Rich

 

I weighed my truck coming home from the dealer. Its a 350srw, crewcab, V10, Auto, Lariat, 4x4, longbed, fuel tank 7/8 full, me and the wife in the cab.
Front 4450
Rear 3100
On state highway scales.

 

I agree with Fred and I think the PSD is a full 400 pounds more than the V10.

I had an 04 F350 4x4 CC SB with the PSD and my new truck with the LB and the 05 front end turns so much sharper, it is truly nicer to drive around town , except for the fact it take a big parking spot . The new steering is 2 1/2 turns of your steering wheel, lock to lock. The older models take 4 turns and don't turn as sharp and the improvement is quite noticable.

My 05 is just shy of 7600 pounds with me ( 185 ) and full tank of fuel.

The 04 was 7400 pounds even with the diesel and the Ford spec sheets I had show that the 05s gained about 300 pounds to give the big jump in GVWR ratings.
My 04 was 9900 GVWR and my 05 is 11200 GVWR.

Using math from the weights of my new truck and my 04 it looks like a CC LB must weigh about 300 pounds more than a CC SB.

The 4x4 option, tranfer case, front driveshaft, front differential and the front end suspension must add a fair bit of weight.

Most important thing to remember, none of the SD truck models were ever designed as high mileage commuters. These are heavy duty work trucks and they are great at what they were built for. I would never let the slight mileage benefit of the lighter SD models influence my choice. Get the model you need with the equipement you want on it. If your shopping SDs for mileage, your shopping for the wrong vehicle.

My truck feels like a hot rod to me , but I did not buy it for that reason. I just bought a new 32 foot Montana Fifth wheel and that is why I need a SD.

If I only needed a hot rod, I would buy a new Mustang. If I come into some spare loot, I'm going to buy one anyway. Take care, and good luck shopping and remember Ford is the only Company that gives you two completely different truck models.

You have your lighter F150s and your Superduties. What a pity the F150 could not be ordered with the V10 for people who want a light quick truck.

My last comment, I get a big laugh at all the Dodge Mega cab ads. They do leave out the fact that it can only be had with the short box which is is only 6' 4 " where the Ford SB is slighty over 6' 10 ". this is huge and 03 slide in Camper I just sold was a model that was built for both short and long bed trucks but the marked Centre of gravity on that Camper was right on the axle centre of a Ford SD SB.
A Dodge SB would put that camper's CG out behind the rear end so that Camper was built for the King of Short boxes, the Ford SD.

As far as the Mega cab , real big trucks come with 8 foot boxes and once again, Dodge comes up short.

 

IIRC, as stated above, the PSD is 400+ pounds heavier than the V-10. That's why I bought {and Rancho recommended} the gas springs vs. the diesel springs for lifting a V-10.

 

1. about 400 lbs (based on info stated on the 'net)
2. about 200 lbs (based on differences in cargo capacities)
3. about 100 lbs (auto is heavier, but gives higher tow ratings)
4. about 250 lbs (XLT pkg adds 217 lbs)
5. about 300 lbs (thats just my guess- longer frame, bed, exhaust, & bigger fuel tank)

Forgot to add:
Tires, wheels, step rails/tubes, chrome pkg, stabilzer bars, etc. all add weight in addition to the values given above. Plus, those differences in weight for trim levels (XL vs KR) vary depending on cab configuration. For a crew cab, the KR adds over 300 lbs. The Harley pkg adds almost 400 lbs!!!

 

Thanks to all you guys for your input on my original questions. My main concern in wanting to know these weights was more for payload ratings and general ride characteristics of different Super Duty setups than for gas mileage.

I was shocked while reading the 2002 Ford Motor Co. Towing Guide that a Super Duty F250, 4X4, CC, LB with the diesel engine had a ridiculous 816 lb maximum cargo weight rating, where as a regular cab 4X2 with a V10 was rated to haul 3,019 lbs. Thats a hell of a difference. I'm looking at these old numbers because I have a chance to buy a 2001 F250, CC,V10, Lariat Short Bed, with 53,000 miles in perfect condition for about $14,000 and wanted to know it's weight limitations.

Did this 2001 V10 have the 310hp/425 torque engine or not? I know these earlier engines were the ones with the plug blowout concerns. Does this mean I must periodically check the torque on these plugs and/or change them at sooner intervals than recommended?

 

f250, sc, swb, base lariat trim,captains chairs, 4x4, v10, auto, ls. 17 inch. t&w's rhino liner, full tank= 6700 pounds.

 

I weighed my truck at the local landfill scales and it weighed 6980lb on their scales with a full tank of fuel. I weigh 200lb, so I guess 6780 would be the proper weight without the driver.
I have a 2005 4x4 sc sb tq v-10. rhino-lined.

 

That is the correct HP/TQ numbers for an '01 V10.

Periodically checking the plugs would probably be a good idea. I suspect the problem isn't as common as one would think, but why take the chance of being in that "special" group.

As for your purchase, if you are so close on the numbers that you have to worry about interior trim weight (KR vs XL), then you should probably look for an F350. Plus, you need to look at whether the truck has "California emissions" or not. The CA have a lower GVWR (8700 vs 8800 lbs for F250).

 

Good point, NoMo, on checking to see if this is a California truck. We get alot of California vehicles up here in the state of Washington. What would I actually look for on this truck that would indicate if it originated in California?

 

For reference, truck in my signature, 6480 lbs with full fuel tank and about 100 lbs of stuff, but without me.

 

I am at @7200 lbs,loaded for travel. CC 2wd, 2 adults, 2 teens, gas and gear for weekend. See sig.