primer for one panel at a time?
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primer for one panel at a time?
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I have been reading as much as I can in here about paint and primer. It seems like I should use an epoxy primer on my 56 as I do the body work on it.
The problem is that I will be sanding one panel or fender at a time (will be driving it). This will take a while. I hate to buy a gallon of primer (and whatever it mixes with) and waste it by it hardening in the can. Will it last several months if I seal the can back up each time?
I would have to clean up the paint gun each time as well (devibliss JGA).
Is the epoxy primer available in spray bomb form or would I be better off buying a detail gun to use for it? Even that would be less mess to clean up (I think).
I have done some body work and paint in the past. I have all the proper equipment.
I probably won't be able to start until the spring, but this way I can be looking for things I need in advance.
Thanks in advance for the advice,
Brian
I have been reading as much as I can in here about paint and primer. It seems like I should use an epoxy primer on my 56 as I do the body work on it.
The problem is that I will be sanding one panel or fender at a time (will be driving it). This will take a while. I hate to buy a gallon of primer (and whatever it mixes with) and waste it by it hardening in the can. Will it last several months if I seal the can back up each time?
I would have to clean up the paint gun each time as well (devibliss JGA).
Is the epoxy primer available in spray bomb form or would I be better off buying a detail gun to use for it? Even that would be less mess to clean up (I think).
I have done some body work and paint in the past. I have all the proper equipment.
I probably won't be able to start until the spring, but this way I can be looking for things I need in advance.
Thanks in advance for the advice,
Brian
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Ok...more reading (the body work thread thats pinned) and many other older threads.
Epoxy primer is a two part mix, so a spray gun it is.
Apparenly all the newer guns are HVLP (?). This is much newer than anything I have done. I have a cheap wal-mart gun I used to use for primer. As far as I can see that will still be ok. I assume I can still use my devilbliss for the new base/clear. I used it for base/clear back in the day.
I used to use dupont products all the time, so is that the epoxy primer I would be looking for? DuPont V-2910S™ DTM Epoxy Primer/Sealer In the info sheet it says non-sanding. Anyone care to explain that?
To clarify an earlier statement (since I can't edit), I had all the correct equipment back when I did this type of work at home. Things have changed a lot apparently.
Thanks again,
Brian
Epoxy primer is a two part mix, so a spray gun it is.
Apparenly all the newer guns are HVLP (?). This is much newer than anything I have done. I have a cheap wal-mart gun I used to use for primer. As far as I can see that will still be ok. I assume I can still use my devilbliss for the new base/clear. I used it for base/clear back in the day.
I used to use dupont products all the time, so is that the epoxy primer I would be looking for? DuPont V-2910S™ DTM Epoxy Primer/Sealer In the info sheet it says non-sanding. Anyone care to explain that?
To clarify an earlier statement (since I can't edit), I had all the correct equipment back when I did this type of work at home. Things have changed a lot apparently.
Thanks again,
Brian
Last edited by Brian_B; Dec 1, 2005 at 03:10 AM.
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Ill take a stab at part of this. I use a Self etching sealer and its non sanding also. Basically after you spray it on bare metal, instead of sanding it like a high-build primer you just use something to scuff it with like a Scotch-Brite pad, then clean it real good and start your body work or other primer. As far as a gallon, since you are doing parts at a time I would use quarts. You only use enough to cover the metal, you dont keep applying layers. I know 2 coats seem to do the trick and Ive painted two fenders, inner fenders and the fender supports plus the cowl and rock guard on a 68' Fairlane and I still have plenty out of that quart left. If Im wrong some one please correct me 
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Sounds good to me. Epoxy primer is perfect for bare metal but it sands like rubber. They make sandable primers that go right to bare metal, but they contain alot of talc so its not good to drive them around in the weather as they can absorb water.
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Do you have any numbers or specifics on the self etching sealer? I thought the self etching was a primer and did not seal. I like the quart idea very much.
I will run some searches and see if I can find it anywhere. This is all new to me. Thanks guys.
I will run some searches and see if I can find it anywhere. This is all new to me. Thanks guys.
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Here is what I found at dupont:
I think this is the type of stuff you are talking about. I had no idea it has any corrosion resistance. I appreciate you taking a look for me when you get a chance.
I know its way early, but I want to start gathering information and learning what I need to buy and work out an approximate budget before I start in.
DuPont™ CF-22860S™ Chrome-Free Etch Primer
A non-sanding acid wash primer designed for quality direct-to-metal repairs. DuPont™ CF-22860S™. Chrome-Free Etch Primer is a two-component, self-etching primer that provides exceptional corrosion resistance and adhesion to properly prepared bare metal (steel, galvanized, and aluminum).
A non-sanding acid wash primer designed for quality direct-to-metal repairs. DuPont™ CF-22860S™. Chrome-Free Etch Primer is a two-component, self-etching primer that provides exceptional corrosion resistance and adhesion to properly prepared bare metal (steel, galvanized, and aluminum).
I know its way early, but I want to start gathering information and learning what I need to buy and work out an approximate budget before I start in.
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The stuff I use is called Amer-ETCh by American Finishes. You mix it 1:1 with the Etching Filler and the Etching Filler Catalyst. The catalyst is clear and the primer is yellowish-brown.
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Oh ok....good deal. thanks again.
EDIT: I am sorry, I am a pest. I am not finding that product online anywhere. All I can find is the name of a company that is similar in uruguay. I will research ppg, dupont, etc this week and see if I can find a similar product.
American Finishes S.A.
International and Multinational Private company
Montevideo, 11600Uruguay
598 24870995 , 598 24871396 fax
(they make paints and primers)
EDIT: I am sorry, I am a pest. I am not finding that product online anywhere. All I can find is the name of a company that is similar in uruguay. I will research ppg, dupont, etc this week and see if I can find a similar product.
American Finishes S.A.
International and Multinational Private company
Montevideo, 11600Uruguay
598 24870995 , 598 24871396 fax
(they make paints and primers)
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Wash primer is super thin and is basically an acid wash with a little bit of resin. It is meant to be sprayed on almost transparent and has to be coated usually the same day. The absolute correct way to do it would be to sand the surface, coat it with a thin coat of wash primer, and prime with epoxy primer. But most people just sand the surface and coat with epoxy primer. There's a lot of good and bad about the acid primer and its not used that commonly.
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This company that makes what Im using is American Finishes, 8201-100th Street, Pleasant prairie, Wisconsin 53158. I was recommend using this by serveral painters and suppliers over expoxy because it was easier to use and I didnt have to top coat it right after. So far i have a few peices done in this and they have been sitting for a few months in damp weather with good results.
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I am not finding an existing company online by that name. I did find:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=387 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=right width=100 bgColor=#dadada>
</TD><TD width=287 bgColor=#dadada>Matthews Paint</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right width=100 bgColor=#dadada></TD><TD width=287 bgColor=#dadada>8201 100th Street</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right width=100 bgColor=#dadada></TD><TD width=287 bgColor=#dadada>Pleasant Prairie, WI 53158</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
It is an outdoor sign company. They do carry various types of paints and primers (even an etching one) for signs, but they all have MPC on the label. At the top of the page is says PPG industries and has the PPG logo.
I would bet the paint is just relabelled PPG paint. I can buy PPG and Dupont here locally that I know of. I have not seen any other brands of automotive paints here.
Keep the info flowing guys. I am learning. Thanks again for looking at the paint you have been using.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=387 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=right width=100 bgColor=#dadada>
</TD><TD width=287 bgColor=#dadada>Matthews Paint</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right width=100 bgColor=#dadada></TD><TD width=287 bgColor=#dadada>8201 100th Street</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right width=100 bgColor=#dadada></TD><TD width=287 bgColor=#dadada>Pleasant Prairie, WI 53158</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>It is an outdoor sign company. They do carry various types of paints and primers (even an etching one) for signs, but they all have MPC on the label. At the top of the page is says PPG industries and has the PPG logo.
I would bet the paint is just relabelled PPG paint. I can buy PPG and Dupont here locally that I know of. I have not seen any other brands of automotive paints here.
Keep the info flowing guys. I am learning. Thanks again for looking at the paint you have been using.
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It may seem like alot of extra effort but I usually use etching primer, epoxy primer, and throw a coat of paint on the panel. I'm in the process of redoing my car now and intend on painting in pieces and then reassembling it. As I finish blocking and primering a part I throw a coat of paint on to protect it from moisture. Though it is easier when you access to left over paint from other jobs.
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