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I have put together several threads in a forum of mine covering towing and some may be of interest. (it covers all brands and it does not play favorites)
Very Interesting Snowman. One question is why you used the HP/lbs of weight being towed instead of torque/lbs of weight ebing towed?
Torque x RPM / 5252 is HP and HP is the standard of work being done. The HP requirements have to be meet whether they are by 200ftlbs at 6000 RPM or 600ftlbs at 2000 RPM, the same amout of work is done and the same amout of HP is being developed.
What I was getting at more, is the poeple that really look at a towing engine look for torque and at what RPM. It would also simplify things removing the HP calculation. Also why wouldn't torque work since HP is nothing more than a dirivitive of torque and RPMs? I also Realize that HP has the time factor where torque is has no time factor but is a direct measurement of rotational force. Sorry I guess I just ansewered my own question.
Curiously, since you seem to be quite knowlageble about the calculations, how to use them, and how to apply them; are you by chance and Engineer? Just wondering since the only people that I've ever been able to talk techinally to about this type of stuff is other engineers?
What I was getting at more, is the poeple that really look at a towing engine look for torque and at what RPM. It would also simplify things removing the HP calculation. Also why wouldn't torque work since HP is nothing more than a dirivitive of torque and RPMs? I also Realize that HP has the time factor where torque is has no time factor but is a direct measurement of rotational force. Sorry I guess I just ansewered my own question.
Curiously, since you seem to be quite knowlageble about the calculations, how to use them, and how to apply them; are you by chance and Engineer? Just wondering since the only people that I've ever been able to talk techinally to about this type of stuff is other engineers?
I understand your question and I could create a graph as such but the torque needed would depend on the tire size, axle ratio and tranny gear before you factor in drive line losses and that might confuse some because it adds more varibles to the mix while HP is a measurement on the work being done and torque is only the effort being applied. I will consider doing a chart on the torque factor though. I did do this one some time ago which is close to what you suggest. Click Here
Also, I am a engineer (elect&mech) but I do not advertise it. I always likely working with numbers to solve things and on day I just started doing these charts and some are quite popular. I need to have another creative streak with them.
Alright snowman, give me a few calcs base on my weights, (I'm working right now so I don't have time). I run an 03' V10 325HP/425Ftlbs, I don't know the rpm but I think you have it listed some where. Diveline I have the 4R100 with 3.73s. I run 75/285/16s which are roughly 33"tall 11.5"wide. I grossed a combined wieght of a hair under 17k on labor day (on the scale) with the boat and camper. I run 60-70 depending on sidewind and if I hooked up the antisway bar. The truck tows it great. Hills that resemble a 8-10% grade require me to use 2nd at which point I can accelerate up the hill but in 3rd I lose 5-7mph (there no real long hills, maybe 1/2 - 3/4 mile). I've also came to the conclusion that it tow better at 70-75 than at 60 which is a direct result of me being closer to my torque/Hp peak in the Rpm band. alright what can you come up with for a two rating for me?
Alright snowman, give me a few calcs base on my weights, (I'm working right now so I don't have time). I run an 03' V10 325HP/425Ftlbs, I don't know the rpm but I think you have it listed some where. Diveline I have the 4R100 with 3.73s. I run 75/285/16s which are roughly 33"tall 11.5"wide. I grossed a combined wieght of a hair under 17k on labor day (on the scale) with the boat and camper. I run 60-70 depending on sidewind and if I hooked up the antisway bar. The truck tows it great. Hills that resemble a 8-10% grade require me to use 2nd at which point I can accelerate up the hill but in 3rd I lose 5-7mph (there no real long hills, maybe 1/2 - 3/4 mile). I've also came to the conclusion that it tow better at 70-75 than at 60 which is a direct result of me being closer to my torque/Hp peak in the Rpm band. alright what can you come up with for a two rating for me?
This is easy. Give me some time to think how I want to graph it as to where you are and where you should be. I can tell you this much with your load and 3.73's and 33 inch tires, you should be running 4.30's for axle ratios
Last edited by The SnoMan; Nov 11, 2005 at 04:26 PM.
You don't need to tell me that, lol. If The wifey would alow me to go spend $1500-$1800 on the truck it would've had 4.30s many moons ago. I do have to say that even for 3.73s it pulls real strong and will tow fast enough to either get me a speeding ticket or and ins. claim for wrecking the whole setup, lol. Like I stated before I do need 2nd on two hills but in both instances I can accelerate up the hills after I've downshifted. You have to remember that I live in ND so I'm only towing in hills and not moutains although it's not nearly as flat as many think it is (with the exception of the eastern side of the state, thats about as flat as a board, I could probably tow 20k with a 300 six and hold my speed over there).
You don't need to tell me that, lol. If The wifey would alow me to go spend $1500-$1800 on the truck it would've had 4.30s many moons ago. I do have to say that even for 3.73s it pulls real strong and will tow fast enough to either get me a speeding ticket or and ins. claim for wrecking the whole setup, lol. Like I stated before I do need 2nd on two hills but in both instances I can accelerate up the hills after I've downshifted. You have to remember that I live in ND so I'm only towing in hills and not moutains although it's not nearly as flat as many think it is (with the exception of the eastern side of the state, thats about as flat as a board, I could probably tow 20k with a 300 six and hold my speed over there).
Well you could do it in stages. You could by the gears on line for about 500 bucks or less for both of them and then have them installed later on. You should be able to get both instaled for around 600 buck or so, give or take. Ford V10 tow like bandits with 4.30 gears.
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