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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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I think the biggest difference between the 7.3 and the 6.0 is the amount of valves per cylinder, plus the updated turbo and engine management. The 6.0's ability to breath more gives it the advantage. More in=more out.
 
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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kwikkordead
I think the biggest difference between the 7.3 and the 6.0 is the amount of valves per cylinder.
The biggest difference? HHHHHMMMMMM maybe that the two have practically nothing in common, except for the word "FORD". There is a couple of sensors (electrical parts) that the two share.

Matt is 100% right on everything he has stated so I wouldn't even bother arguing.
 
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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 08:47 PM
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Maybe i should have spell it out for you..... Stock.
anybody putting that much hp in the thing needs a muscle car, not a tow vehicle!

Nether was designed to run with that much hp.
i must have misunderstood you original post. i have only ever heard the term "there is no replacement for displacement" in reference to making more power and not ever having anything to do with reliabilty...
 
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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 10:08 PM
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I can't say it as well as Banks can. He's mostly trying to sell his products, but if you read past that it becomes easier to understand why the 6.0 is more powerful. It's designed to displace more air even though it's smaller in physical displacement.
http://www.bankspower.com/Tech_bigdensity.cfm
 
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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 10:20 PM
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That is what Matt was trying to explain with the VE!!
 
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 04:31 AM
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I can say that before this thread I was actually anti 6.0, but dont get me wrong, im still pro 7.3. But now i have learned alot more about the 6.0 and its an excellently designed engine. I see displacement really has no relavence, for the 6.0. From what i understand the head design along with other things more than make up for that. Yeah it seems that the 7.3 and the 6.0 have nothing in common except that fact they are both in fords and use diesel fuel. Anyways, a big thanks to everyone for all the great info.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 05:28 PM
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If one could build an upscaled model of a 6.0 to 7.3 displacement, and everything kept proportional, turbo, injectors, rods, crank, etc...which motor would make more power the 6.0 or the mutant 7.3 liter 6.0?
 
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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the VT444. the volumetric efficiency will be close to that of the 6.0, so the extra displacement would be an added bonus. more torque i'd guess. where is matt to chime in on this?
 
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Customz
If one could build an upscaled model of a 6.0 to 7.3 displacement, and everything kept proportional, turbo, injectors, rods, crank, etc...which motor would make more power the 6.0 or the mutant 7.3 liter 6.0?
If everything is equal then the 7.3 would of course make more power. That is with the same head design, upgraded turbo, crank and rods that would take the power. Although I don't know how long the main caps would hold the crank at the power levels and rpm's the 6.0 is capable of.

Edit: I am referring to the main caps of a 7.3 wonder how long they would hold 700hp at close the 5000 rpm?
 

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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 06:41 PM
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At precisely the same volumetric efficiency, compression and stoichometric ratio (assuming the same overall burn rate- highly theoretical), then 7.3 liters would yeild 21.6% more peak torque. Assuming the torque curve was identical (only if the engine geometry itself was exactly the same, exluding bore size- which would be nearly impossible) then the power output would also be 21.6% more likewise.

I'm pretty sure common sense will answer that- but that negates the purpose of the argument.

BTW, the 6.0 thankfully doesn't have main caps to deal with, it only has a bedplate.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 06:44 PM
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Someone needs a girlfriend. hehehehe
 
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 07:15 PM
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Someone needs a girlfriend. hehehehe
HEY

I have one, thank you Jamie

BTW that was a cheap shot...
 
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 07:58 PM
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I knew common sense would answer that...I wonder if someone else has it?

BTW, why would the proportional bore be impossible?
 

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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Customz
I knew common sense would answer that...I wonder if someone else has it?

BTW, why would the proportional bore be impossible?
Well, it wouldn't be impossible...but it would be a huge bore! lol
 
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 09:58 PM
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All other thing being equal, more displacement will give more power, but RPM also comes into play. More displacement means bigger components which don't move as fast. Think about some of the Indy-car style motors, 160 cubes or so and hitting 1,000 hp and up to 20,000 RPM, maybe more. Torque and horsepower are the key words to understanding power. The word power by itself is too vauge (sp).
 
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