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"Hi all. Picked up what I was told is a 1950 F6. It is titled as a 1950, but I see on here that the ID# would have a 9 as the first digit. Mine is 88RT8251 on frame and glove box door. Also looks like a W 3 under the ID# on the glove box.
My assumption is this is a 1948, not a 1950.
It has a dump bed, floor shift 4 spd and 2 spd rear. Appears it was originally gray in color."


Hi Navy Dad, congrats on the truck. It's always fun to figure out exactly what you have. The serial number is for a 48 truck as you suspect. It is also typical of an F5 1 1/2ton instead of an F6. (F6 prefix would have been 88RTH)

There is a plausible explanation for it to be registered as a '50. Some states didn't issue a title until the new truck was sold and put that year down as the vehicle year. Every once in awhile we run across a truck titled a year or 2 later than it's mfg date.

If you find a string of numbers stamped on the firewall or cowl, post those and we can tell you more about your truck's assembly history (not all trucks have those stamped)

edit: based on the serial number your truck is the second oldest F series truck I've ever logged in the data - congrats!
 
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AgWagon View Post
Hi everyone-- just contributing to the database. Have a '49 F5 long-bed dually with the 6 cylinder and 3-speed non-synchro manual on the floor. Truck is blue these days and not sure what the original color was.

VIN is 97HT 221819. "Model WBT" from the data tag.
Thanks for playing along - if the trans is non-synchro'd it would be the 4 spd with a 7006 case. All the 3 spds used back then (light duty and heavy duty) were synchro'd.

If you can find a string of stamped numbers on the firewall near the cowl, post them and we can likely tell you the original color, assembly date and plant.

Enjoy your truck!
edit: at one time your truck was in Colorado
 
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As you suspect, I hae no stamped numbers in the cowl. Also the truck has what appears to be the original F6 on the cab. If I get some picks of the spring pack, would that be an indication of F6 or F5?

I also have a line on what is said to be a 52 F5, but has the 48-50 grill. I am going to pick it up for parts, but will not use most of it. I will get numers from it this weekend.
 
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Here are some close ups of the F6 badging and interior.
 
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It looks like an F6 to me. I'll look up the info on spring packs - it might id things.

This wouldn't be the first truck that was mis-stamped. Couple that with the fact that Ford made running line changes, anything is possible.

As one example, when they first started in 48, there was no separate designation for F2's. They were stamped the same as F3's until they produced something like 110,000 units (if my memory is working right).
 
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Earlier in this thread we decided that 48 cabs, at least the earlier ones, have three vertical ribs in the back wall. The F-5 / F-6 has the smooth back wall. Hmm...
 
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Old 03-19-2017, 04:15 PM
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Here's my ser #

Great idea!

1950 F-1
98RC448495. KC

Flat bed
3 speed floor shift

Second owner all original matching numbers at the frame,firewall and glove box. I have copy of the original title as well. This truck is original.

Also stamped in the firewall in large 1" stamps is: M. KC. 9J160. I'm not sure how to decode that number. I read on another post that it was paint code,plant and date of manufacture.

I previously owned a late 50 F-1 with raised panel,no firewall stampings, three on the tree ser # 98RC487348 only on glove box. Cannot verify the bed originality.
 
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Old 03-19-2017, 05:09 PM
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Can anyone tell me what this cab is my father inlaw has. It looks to maybe have been a fire truck. Theres holes on both sides top of the a pillar. And holes in the center of the roof just behind the windshield line. Im guessing from what ive read its a 49 or 50 F6 239 V8 built in chicago. The patent plate on passenger firewall reads
98RTH*308xxx* Branch CH
just below the cowel on the firewall just off center towards driver side this is stamped:
2 CH 24A 445.
would like to know what these all mean.
there is no tag in glove box. Lid was gone.
thanks for any info!
 
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Old 03-19-2017, 06:20 PM
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Actually Fred, the ribs seem to depend more on which supplier provided cabs for a given assembly plant.

Navy Dad, the spring packs on both F5 and F6 contained 11 up front and 12 in the back. Both could be ordered with overload packs and according tot he shop manual, even F4s could be ordered with the 11/12 setup - I have an F4 set up that way.
 
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Old 03-19-2017, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Merimar1 View Post
Great idea!

1950 F-1
98RC448495. KC

Flat bed
3 speed floor shift

Second owner all original matching numbers at the frame,firewall and glove box. I have copy of the original title as well. This truck is original.

Also stamped in the firewall in large 1" stamps is: M. KC. 9J160. I'm not sure how to decode that number. I read on another post that it was paint code,plant and date of manufacture.

I previously owned a late 50 F-1 with raised panel,no firewall stampings, three on the tree ser # 98RC487348 only on glove box. Cannot verify the bed originality.
Your current 50 was/is the 239 flathead V8 produced in Kansas City. Firewall says it was M - Meadow Green; KC - Kansas City; 9J - September 9 assembly; 160 - vehicle down the line

Thanks for adding to the data base.
 
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Originally Posted by bgbdbrwn View Post
Can anyone tell me what this cab is my father inlaw has. It looks to maybe have been a fire truck. Theres holes on both sides top of the a pillar. And holes in the center of the roof just behind the windshield line. Im guessing from what ive read its a 49 or 50 F6 239 V8 built in chicago. The patent plate on passenger firewall reads
98RTH*308xxx* Branch CH
just below the cowel on the firewall just off center towards driver side this is stamped:
2 CH 24A 445.
would like to know what these all mean.
there is no tag in glove box. Lid was gone.
thanks for any info!
9 - 49/50
8R - 239 flathead V8
TH - F6 two ton
308xxx
CH - Chicago

Firewall
2 - Vermillion Red
CH - Chicago assembly plant
24A - Jan 24 assembly date
445 - vehicle down the line

edited to clarify model years
 
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Originally Posted by mtflat View Post
9 - 40/50
8R - 239 flathead V8
TH - F6 two ton
308xxx
CH - Chicago

Firewall
2 - Vermillion Red
CH - Chicago assembly plant
24A - Jan 24 assembly date
445 - vehicle down the line

Think you meant 49/50 correct? And being suck a low number 308xxx its hard to tell if its a 49 or 50.
 
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Originally Posted by bgbdbrwn View Post
Think you meant 49/50 correct? And being suck a low number 308xxx its hard to tell if its a 49 or 50.
also is there a way ford might be able to tell where this vehicle was shipped to upon completion st the chicago plant?
 
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also is there a way ford might be able to tell where this vehicle was shipped to upon completion st the chicago plant?
and one more question lol. Im a right in thst the number on the plate would in fact be the VIN #/serial #
 
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Originally Posted by bgbdbrwn View Post
Think you meant 49/50 correct? And being suck a low number 308xxx its hard to tell if its a 49 or 50.

also is there a way ford might be able to tell where this vehicle was shipped to upon completion st the chicago plant?

and one more question lol. Im a right in thst the number on the plate would in fact be the VIN #/serial #

yes, 49/50 and no, January 24th would have been 1950. Ford was using the calendar year for model year with these new trucks and did so until Sept of 1951. Your truck is clearly a 50

there is no way to know where it shipped from Chicago that I know of. Ford burned all the records in/around 1967. Unless you found original registration or other owner records in your truck it will remain a mystery.

The serial number *98RTH 308xxx* was originally on the frame, data plate (firewall) and rating plate (glovebox door). It wasn't referred to as a VIN until the 60's.
 

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