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Helper Springs Help
My brother has a 99 f-250 SD with a V-10 in it..... an I have a 04 f-250 SD with a 6.0L PS in mine.... his has a helper spring on the rear of his truck and my truck don`t... can I put OEM.. helper spings on my truck???? if so can any one help me a with part number... there is holes in the frame for the mounts.....thanks craig
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I had a 86 other make and put the helpers on it. It was a direct bolt on with all patrs bought at the local spring shop. It came as a kit with brackets and longer u bolts, triangle spring was my shop in Pa. Simple job even without a impact wrench. If bolts are real rusty torch is real handy.
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I have the same set up, and I installed Firestone RideRite airbags. I don't think I've ever loaded my truck enough, that helper springs would come into play. The RideRites are ajustable, and proably cheaper than buying the original helper springs.
Originally Posted by bigdog13
My brother has a 99 f-250 SD with a V-10 in it..... an I have a 04 f-250 SD with a 6.0L PS in mine.... his has a helper spring on the rear of his truck and my truck don`t... can I put OEM.. helper spings on my truck???? if so can any one help me a with part number... there is holes in the frame for the mounts.....thanks craig
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How much weight are you putting the bed to use the airbags?
I have 2000 F350 CC LB 4X4 PSD and went to the rock quarry and come out at 3980 heavier than I went in. The truck went from slightly tail high to sitting about level maybe 1 inch lower than level. I was really impressed. I only have the factory setup of springs and overloads.
I have 2000 F350 CC LB 4X4 PSD and went to the rock quarry and come out at 3980 heavier than I went in. The truck went from slightly tail high to sitting about level maybe 1 inch lower than level. I was really impressed. I only have the factory setup of springs and overloads.
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Originally Posted by Powerkleen
How much weight are you putting the bed to use the airbags? come out at 3980 heavier than I went in.
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You have to watch air bags they give you a false sense of load carrying capability personally I don't like them. I suggest you get a set of Timbren Rubber springs they are stronger and more durable they are designed for trucks that work ie tow trucks etc. The factory overload set up really doesn't give you much unless you change the single leaf overload to a multi leaf overload pack. I think the single leaf is only good for 800lbs or so if you really wanted a pack that will carry some weight then you get a spring shop to make you a set of overload springs that would be good for 2000lbs per side.
Air bags only carry 2500lbs per side they don't carry 5000lbs each they also stress your frame your drilling more holes into the weakest part of the frame.
Like I said a set of Timbrens you bolt them in 30 mins no air lines to mess with no new U bolts to deal with. Once they are bolted in you don't even remember they are there till you need them.
Air bags only carry 2500lbs per side they don't carry 5000lbs each they also stress your frame your drilling more holes into the weakest part of the frame.
Like I said a set of Timbrens you bolt them in 30 mins no air lines to mess with no new U bolts to deal with. Once they are bolted in you don't even remember they are there till you need them.
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i will suggest the airbags as well, i have a 2500# truck camper and when i put it in the bed it would lower the rear enough to cause the truck to ride on the overload springs. the ride was pretty bouncey and unstable feeling. the airbags made a huge difference
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Never said load capacity was 10K, and Firestone RideRites require no drilling in the frame. Airbags also come into play immediately, and are ajustable to varying conditions, unlike helper springs, or Timbrens.
Originally Posted by Kenworth
You have to watch air bags they give you a false sense of load carrying capability personally I don't like them. I suggest you get a set of Timbren Rubber springs they are stronger and more durable they are designed for trucks that work ie tow trucks etc. The factory overload set up really doesn't give you much unless you change the single leaf overload to a multi leaf overload pack. I think the single leaf is only good for 800lbs or so if you really wanted a pack that will carry some weight then you get a spring shop to make you a set of overload springs that would be good for 2000lbs per side.
Air bags only carry 2500lbs per side they don't carry 5000lbs each they also stress your frame your drilling more holes into the weakest part of the frame.
Like I said a set of Timbrens you bolt them in 30 mins no air lines to mess with no new U bolts to deal with. Once they are bolted in you don't even remember they are there till you need them.
Air bags only carry 2500lbs per side they don't carry 5000lbs each they also stress your frame your drilling more holes into the weakest part of the frame.
Like I said a set of Timbrens you bolt them in 30 mins no air lines to mess with no new U bolts to deal with. Once they are bolted in you don't even remember they are there till you need them.
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I never accused you of saying they had 10,000lbs capacity its some people think the bags can carry 5000lbs each. The reason why I don't like bags is people overload their truck then they over drive it. I seen so many tourists with campers carried in trucks with airbags have the camper flop out on the ground because they are going around the corners too fast. The truck is skidding around the corners it will flip over.
Like I said they give you a false sense of security all it takes is the valve to let go and all air pressure is lost and the bag drops or a line blows etc. All it takes is the bag to blow and it will throw the truck out of control.
The truck has to still need to be able to flex when loaded if its so rigid side to side then your stressing the frame. The only cushion you are getting is from the tires which isn't that good because you are stressing the rear tires too.
Oh well no point in arguing about it
after 13 years in trucking I do know what works and what doesn't where as a weekend warriors think they know what it takes to carry heavy loads 
Like I said they give you a false sense of security all it takes is the valve to let go and all air pressure is lost and the bag drops or a line blows etc. All it takes is the bag to blow and it will throw the truck out of control.
The truck has to still need to be able to flex when loaded if its so rigid side to side then your stressing the frame. The only cushion you are getting is from the tires which isn't that good because you are stressing the rear tires too.
Oh well no point in arguing about it
after 13 years in trucking I do know what works and what doesn't where as a weekend warriors think they know what it takes to carry heavy loads
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Originally Posted by Kenworth
The reason why I don't like bags is people overload their truck then they over drive it. I seen so many tourists with campers carried in trucks with airbags have the camper flop out on the ground because they are going around the corners too fast. The truck is skidding around the corners it will flip over.
i have about ten years of trailering with air bags and have never had a problem
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Well, here's is just something for those they may be interested. I'm not selling them soooo. I have the original springs w/ helpers from before I put the lift on, if anyone wants them and wants to pick them up in Auburn, AL. PM me and you can HAVE them. I also have the fronts, the u-bolts, pitman arm, all that OE stuff.
Oh, I also have the RS9000X's that have about 10K on them and work great, you can have those as well. I'm still in Afghanistan until Jan and I'm not having the wife load crap up and ship, so they would have to be picked up. Again, I'm not selling this stuff, you can have it, just PM me.
Oh, I also have the RS9000X's that have about 10K on them and work great, you can have those as well. I'm still in Afghanistan until Jan and I'm not having the wife load crap up and ship, so they would have to be picked up. Again, I'm not selling this stuff, you can have it, just PM me.
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Originally Posted by Kenworth
I think the single leaf is only good for 800lbs or so if you really wanted a pack that will carry some weight then you get a spring shop to make you a set of overload springs that would be good for 2000lbs per side.
Air bags only carry 2500lbs per side they don't carry 5000lbs each they also stress your frame your drilling more holes into the weakest part of the frame.
Air bags only carry 2500lbs per side they don't carry 5000lbs each they also stress your frame your drilling more holes into the weakest part of the frame.
For BIG loads, Kenworth, you da man
, but for us peanut haulers, we shouldn't be loading that much anyway. Oh, I've been hauling truck campers for 16 years, and I also have not seen a camper flop out of a truck. (knock wood). BTW, don't the big rigs use Air Bags?