Personal thoughts about SCMP vs. Edge
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If your buddies went out the same day he installed it, What are the chances it was going out anyway?? Seems sorta Silly, My truck has 140,000mi on the '03 build date... Original tranney and over 15kmi on it with the SCMT... No tranney problems..
Maby there is acouple bad SCMT's out there... Vic is there a Chance of that??
Not taking sides here, Heck if i had installed the SCMT and Blew the tranney out the same day i would Blame it also... But i would also know that there may have been a Pre Existing Problem to blame..
Maby there is acouple bad SCMT's out there... Vic is there a Chance of that??
Not taking sides here, Heck if i had installed the SCMT and Blew the tranney out the same day i would Blame it also... But i would also know that there may have been a Pre Existing Problem to blame..
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Originally Posted by firesoutmatt
I would think it was a Ford problem too but 3 trans bad with and 0 without the SCMT Hmmmmmmmm Maybe the SCMT has too much power 
.I just know I will never run a SCMT again . I allso contacted SCMT when my second trans went out thinking it might be a program issue and they never called me back. I wasn't blaming the programer just thought it might be something I could send back and get it checked. When I let my buddy use it his trans went out the same day .It wouldn't shift into forth gear. I wasn't going to give it a forth chance so thats why I got rid of it. I've had the EDGE since April 05 and no problems at all.
.I just know I will never run a SCMT again . I allso contacted SCMT when my second trans went out thinking it might be a program issue and they never called me back. I wasn't blaming the programer just thought it might be something I could send back and get it checked. When I let my buddy use it his trans went out the same day .It wouldn't shift into forth gear. I wasn't going to give it a forth chance so thats why I got rid of it. I've had the EDGE since April 05 and no problems at all.The thing is, one tuner can't be unique, each tuning revision has been sold in the thousands and been in thousands of trucks.
To me it looks like an underlying issue that came out with the added power.
Some of the early 7.3's would have regular injector failures, and tuning would occasionally bring them out.
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Originally Posted by Customz
Wow that SCT sure posted some good #s...
The SCMT looked nice and smooth too.
The SCMT looked nice and smooth too.
This was an SCT unit custom programmed by one of their dealers.
Hell, give me the truck and my laptop.....I can bring it on too!
They were basically matching mass-market product (with a paranoid safety margin built in for the masses) with full custom tuning.
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Hey Vic,
Maby you can answer me this. At the end of my 1/4m Mi time my CAC tube blew off.. Like it had with the SCMT about 6 times before. Then again last night, This is something that i knew was a common Problem. Yet i never had that Problem with the Edge on Level 4-5. What is the difference between the two that makes so much more Boost on the SCMT.. This would be my Only real reason to switch Back when hauling.
Maby you can answer me this. At the end of my 1/4m Mi time my CAC tube blew off.. Like it had with the SCMT about 6 times before. Then again last night, This is something that i knew was a common Problem. Yet i never had that Problem with the Edge on Level 4-5. What is the difference between the two that makes so much more Boost on the SCMT.. This would be my Only real reason to switch Back when hauling.
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Originally Posted by The Man
Hey Vic,
Maby you can answer me this. At the end of my 1/4m Mi time my CAC tube blew off.. Like it had with the SCMT about 6 times before. Then again last night, This is something that i knew was a common Problem. Yet i never had that Problem with the Edge on Level 4-5. What is the difference between the two that makes so much more Boost on the SCMT.. This would be my Only real reason to switch Back when hauling.
Maby you can answer me this. At the end of my 1/4m Mi time my CAC tube blew off.. Like it had with the SCMT about 6 times before. Then again last night, This is something that i knew was a common Problem. Yet i never had that Problem with the Edge on Level 4-5. What is the difference between the two that makes so much more Boost on the SCMT.. This would be my Only real reason to switch Back when hauling.
In short...those clamps suck!
We had a brand new stock 04 and 06 blow one off and dent the hood (bone stock!).
This is my best recommendation:
pull the clamp off, clean all metal surfaces with brake cleaner. Use an all-purpose degreaser for the rubber/plastic areas.
Gently "scuff" the mating surfaces with a 120 grit sandpaper, perhaps finish with a 400 grit, and use degreaser to clean the dust. This will give the clamp and hose more bite.
Tighten the clamp down just tight enough that it doesn't distort the hose or any parts of the clamp.
If it still doesn't hold, use some PURPLE loctite. (Purple is the easiest to break loose when you want to remove it.
If all else fails (which it shouldn't), look into HKS type clamps or perhaps a stainless flat exhaust strap (The type Borla exhaust issues with some of their kits.)
If I owned one of these trucks, I would construct a pad for the hood to avoid the anger resulting from a dented hood. Ford has acknowledged a problem with these clamps in the past, but I haven't seen a revised type clamp yet.
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I feel the SCMT may be pushing the limits of my transmission, how much worse could the SCT be? Is their more smoke associated with a tune that aggressive?
Would that much power have drivability and reliability issues?
Would that much power have drivability and reliability issues?
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Originally Posted by Customz
I feel the SCMT may be pushing the limits of my transmission, how much worse could the SCT be? Is their more smoke associated with a tune that aggressive?
Would that much power have drivability and reliability issues?
Would that much power have drivability and reliability issues?
Reliability issues?
It really all depends on who writes the tune.
Remember, SCT has a dealer network and the dealers have the power to write whatever they want in the files they flash into the tuner.
This has it's definite pros and cons (depending on what you want and the experience of the particular dealer).
If you have a highly modified truck (propane/nitrous stack, etc)... its the way to go.
When I tuned the SCMT I basically found out how much power could be made and created a safety margin while also fine tuning drivability for a number of peoples different tastes. This is why it shift points/firmness are directly affected by driver input. An aggressive driver will get more aggressive shifting, but you can still go get groceries, lay of the throttle, and get home without breaking your eggs.
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The files shown on that graph are those of Eric Eldreth and Jon Lund at Innovative diesel. Yes, they smoke like a freight train- the around-town mileage sucks, but the highway mileage is actually great. I've turned mine up a little more since starting with their file and it has gone downhill a little extra 
As far as the tranny is concerned, I have never had a problem with that tune coming anywhere close to slipping (even before the Suncoast kit). As far as harsh shifting it takes to do so, time will only tell if it is detrimental, I have intentionally made mine harsh at all times, even at part throttle...its a good way of being able to "know" exactly what gear the tranny is, lockup status, ect without datalogging. What this does to parts near the tailshaft, the transfer case, u-joints, differentials ect. who knows... I suppose I'll find out later on down the road.
Reliability issues? Mainly head gaskets. Don't have that issue any more with hypereuretic ones, but if you throw anything on top of that tune (more than straight water- persay, propane) the stock gaskets are going to go in a hurry. As for if the tune itself will destroy them- I dont think so, but its certainly possible. It takes alot of cylinder pressure drawn out to a very high RPM to make a power band that tall and long...It also does seem to be eating IPR valves for some reason, I would speculate the electronic changes to the ICP system...then again I couldn't care less myself.
Drivability? I suppose that depends on your definition of drivability
As far as the tranny is concerned, I have never had a problem with that tune coming anywhere close to slipping (even before the Suncoast kit). As far as harsh shifting it takes to do so, time will only tell if it is detrimental, I have intentionally made mine harsh at all times, even at part throttle...its a good way of being able to "know" exactly what gear the tranny is, lockup status, ect without datalogging. What this does to parts near the tailshaft, the transfer case, u-joints, differentials ect. who knows... I suppose I'll find out later on down the road.
Reliability issues? Mainly head gaskets. Don't have that issue any more with hypereuretic ones, but if you throw anything on top of that tune (more than straight water- persay, propane) the stock gaskets are going to go in a hurry. As for if the tune itself will destroy them- I dont think so, but its certainly possible. It takes alot of cylinder pressure drawn out to a very high RPM to make a power band that tall and long...It also does seem to be eating IPR valves for some reason, I would speculate the electronic changes to the ICP system...then again I couldn't care less myself.
Drivability? I suppose that depends on your definition of drivability
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
They were basically matching mass-market product (with a paranoid safety margin built in for the masses) with full custom tuning.
I suppose the reason it ended up the category with the others is the fact that it ended up having some degree of reasonable drivability, and mileage that isn't horrid (at least not out on the highway). I've got a friend that even tows 9500 lbs with it
(I would most certainly not give this as a recommendation for anyone to try 
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I thought i would Post my Personal Thoughts on each Product.
I first had installed the SCMP after reading the Forums here and realised it would be the best bet, For ease of installation and Product Value.. Seemed to be a good idea.. Ran it for about 15kmi and loved it, Hard shifts, Tons of black smoke.. Gobbs of Power gained from stock.
But the lack of an On the fly Adjustable power leven and my Towing Heavy loads from now and again i decided to buy and install an Edge Programer with the Juice Moniter. Loved it at first, Has adjustability like a *****, Good options, And power levels, Made the truck sound meaner to a Point... Over all seemed better but was alittle less as far as full on WOT performance.
The other thing i couldnt stand was the Defueling pre shifts 4-5, As i was being planted in the seat, Right before a Shift i would be Jerked forward almost to the steering wheel due to the Defueling.. Sure it saves the Tranney, But if the 1/4mi was your thing i wouldnt be surprised if the defueling added over .5-.7sec to your run time and last night at the track my thoughts were Proven..
My time with the SCMP before was 14.22 at 99MPH.
The edge provided me with the silly time of 15.01 at 89mph.
It made me look like a Fool, So it got taken off this morning. My time tonight with the New turbo and 5" stacks got me at 13.98 @ 104MPH. Black smoke, Barking tires through almost all shifts.. a thing of beauty..
Just thought i would let the Members that were undecided on Programers read this, Maby after reading this they will decide what will suit them better.
Plus my egt was around 100Degrees lower on HP setting vs. Level 5 on the Edge.
This is on a '03 F-350 Dually, CC 4wd Long Bed Lariat Auto, 4.10 Gears.
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I first had installed the SCMP after reading the Forums here and realised it would be the best bet, For ease of installation and Product Value.. Seemed to be a good idea.. Ran it for about 15kmi and loved it, Hard shifts, Tons of black smoke.. Gobbs of Power gained from stock.
But the lack of an On the fly Adjustable power leven and my Towing Heavy loads from now and again i decided to buy and install an Edge Programer with the Juice Moniter. Loved it at first, Has adjustability like a *****, Good options, And power levels, Made the truck sound meaner to a Point... Over all seemed better but was alittle less as far as full on WOT performance.
The other thing i couldnt stand was the Defueling pre shifts 4-5, As i was being planted in the seat, Right before a Shift i would be Jerked forward almost to the steering wheel due to the Defueling.. Sure it saves the Tranney, But if the 1/4mi was your thing i wouldnt be surprised if the defueling added over .5-.7sec to your run time and last night at the track my thoughts were Proven..
My time with the SCMP before was 14.22 at 99MPH.
The edge provided me with the silly time of 15.01 at 89mph.
It made me look like a Fool, So it got taken off this morning. My time tonight with the New turbo and 5" stacks got me at 13.98 @ 104MPH. Black smoke, Barking tires through almost all shifts.. a thing of beauty..
Just thought i would let the Members that were undecided on Programers read this, Maby after reading this they will decide what will suit them better.
Plus my egt was around 100Degrees lower on HP setting vs. Level 5 on the Edge.
This is on a '03 F-350 Dually, CC 4wd Long Bed Lariat Auto, 4.10 Gears.
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Your time and speeds seem wacky to me.
I have a SCT Xtreme, and a Supercab SRW short bed and run a 13.95 at 95.3
You hace a Crew cab long bed dually with a SCMT and run a 13.98 at 104?
What are you running for a turbo?
What is your 60' time ?
Can you scan a timeslip ?
With those speeds,you should be very low 13's if not better.
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
What is your stock calibration code? (4 digit code, <3 letters, one number> located on the pcm). The PCM is crammed between the drivers side battery and the fender. You can view this code standing in front of the truck by the drivers side headlight (03-04 only).
The thing is, one tuner can't be unique, each tuning revision has been sold in the thousands and been in thousands of trucks.
To me it looks like an underlying issue that came out with the added power.
Some of the early 7.3's would have regular injector failures, and tuning would occasionally bring them out.
The thing is, one tuner can't be unique, each tuning revision has been sold in the thousands and been in thousands of trucks.
To me it looks like an underlying issue that came out with the added power.
Some of the early 7.3's would have regular injector failures, and tuning would occasionally bring them out.
I call once talked to the person answering phone left name and number No call back. I then e-mailed and never got a response. Thats the main reason why I got rid of the SCMT Poor customer service .
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Originally Posted by firesoutmatt
Hey Vic are you the one I should talk to about SCMT customer service ?
I call once talked to the person answering phone left name and number No call back. I then e-mailed and never got a response. Thats the main reason why I got rid of the SCMT Poor customer service .
I call once talked to the person answering phone left name and number No call back. I then e-mailed and never got a response. Thats the main reason why I got rid of the SCMT Poor customer service .
I work in Research & Development...so I'm developing product and testing vehicles, not in the phone room. I promise you, this post will go straight to the Manager of customer service and VP of operations.
You can contact me directly (pm) if you would like to explain your issues further.
I will make sure your frustrations are heard.
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Hey Nummit,
I do believe that the Shifting pattern of the SCMP in my truck is alittle wacky.. With a Very Very fast increase in speed with at the end of the 1/4mi... As my truck hits 95 on the Needle, I feel a very odd Jerk back, Almost like alittle more pedal was found for a moment. So im pretty much not im the Peak of my preformance untill im at the End of the track or so it feels.. That would be the reason my ET's are so high, Because im lacking at the start but with a fast push at the end i reach very high speed in a very small amount of time giving me a Fast Speed with a very low time.. At least thats the only reason i could think my times are so high with that speed. I know nothing about racing.. Never been on a Track untill i bought this Unit, Never thought about having a Heavy *** Quarter mile truck...
Ive heard many say that the 4:10 Equiped Duallies are Very mean, In fact beating some Smaller 6.0 Powerd trucks.. My buddy Darlyle Put the SCMP in his 6.0 2wd 3.73 ext cab LB.. I slammed him off the line, But once i hit 105-110mph, Hes passing me.. And keeps going untill im unseen in the mirrors.
I do believe that the Shifting pattern of the SCMP in my truck is alittle wacky.. With a Very Very fast increase in speed with at the end of the 1/4mi... As my truck hits 95 on the Needle, I feel a very odd Jerk back, Almost like alittle more pedal was found for a moment. So im pretty much not im the Peak of my preformance untill im at the End of the track or so it feels.. That would be the reason my ET's are so high, Because im lacking at the start but with a fast push at the end i reach very high speed in a very small amount of time giving me a Fast Speed with a very low time.. At least thats the only reason i could think my times are so high with that speed. I know nothing about racing.. Never been on a Track untill i bought this Unit, Never thought about having a Heavy *** Quarter mile truck...
Ive heard many say that the 4:10 Equiped Duallies are Very mean, In fact beating some Smaller 6.0 Powerd trucks.. My buddy Darlyle Put the SCMP in his 6.0 2wd 3.73 ext cab LB.. I slammed him off the line, But once i hit 105-110mph, Hes passing me.. And keeps going untill im unseen in the mirrors.
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Originally Posted by The Man
Hey Nummit,
I do believe that the Shifting pattern of the SCMP in my truck is alittle wacky.. With a Very Very fast increase in speed with at the end of the 1/4mi... As my truck hits 95 on the Needle, I feel a very odd Jerk back, Almost like alittle more pedal was found for a moment. So im pretty much not im the Peak of my preformance untill im at the End of the track or so it feels.. That would be the reason my ET's are so high, Because im lacking at the start but with a fast push at the end i reach very high speed in a very small amount of time giving me a Fast Speed with a very low time.. At least thats the only reason i could think my times are so high with that speed. I know nothing about racing.. Never been on a Track untill i bought this Unit, Never thought about having a Heavy *** Quarter mile truck...
Ive heard many say that the 4:10 Equiped Duallies are Very mean, In fact beating some Smaller 6.0 Powerd trucks.. My buddy Darlyle Put the SCMP in his 6.0 2wd 3.73 ext cab LB.. I slammed him off the line, But once i hit 105-110mph, Hes passing me.. And keeps going untill im unseen in the mirrors.
I do believe that the Shifting pattern of the SCMP in my truck is alittle wacky.. With a Very Very fast increase in speed with at the end of the 1/4mi... As my truck hits 95 on the Needle, I feel a very odd Jerk back, Almost like alittle more pedal was found for a moment. So im pretty much not im the Peak of my preformance untill im at the End of the track or so it feels.. That would be the reason my ET's are so high, Because im lacking at the start but with a fast push at the end i reach very high speed in a very small amount of time giving me a Fast Speed with a very low time.. At least thats the only reason i could think my times are so high with that speed. I know nothing about racing.. Never been on a Track untill i bought this Unit, Never thought about having a Heavy *** Quarter mile truck...
Ive heard many say that the 4:10 Equiped Duallies are Very mean, In fact beating some Smaller 6.0 Powerd trucks.. My buddy Darlyle Put the SCMP in his 6.0 2wd 3.73 ext cab LB.. I slammed him off the line, But once i hit 105-110mph, Hes passing me.. And keeps going untill im unseen in the mirrors.
I gotta be careful not to make this a tech support thread....have to respect this site for what it is.
It sounds like you are having an issue with late torque converter lockup, though through your description I am not sure.
A few things to clear up really quick (but really won't change my activity in this forum):
Not long ago, I began tuning the Cummins diesel and training another guy to tune the Ford 6.0L and 7.3
The Cummins is a very big challenge and I decided I was up for it.
Since then, I've been very absorbed with it and have not spent much time with the 6.0.
In other words, when an RA comes in for a 6.0L product, I generally do not see it anymore unless there is a specific challenge that needs my input.
If minor changes are made to the tuning, I am generally not aware of them, but I am kept in the loop on many things and occasionally and try to make sure things are going smoothly.
I mention this to make the point clear that if you have issues with programming, drivability, etc... you should direct them to superchips if you have something that needs attention.
I am not currently an active member of the "Ford" team, but will remain active in this thread.
