appleseed processor.......
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From: Paradise Found!
Good luck!
Originally Posted by vancouverpower
It seems you have a good system running for you. I can't wait to get ours up and running. I wonder if you can post your pics and w
rite up in the articles/specs section? Thanks for all the good info!
rite up in the articles/specs section? Thanks for all the good info!
I hope you have as great a time with biodiesel as I have! Just remember one thing....... use your own brain, and don't build everybody elses system. Find what works for YOU! My system is not right for a lot of people, I'm a fabricator, With a WELL stocked "bone-yard" and a well equiped shop. Most people don't have that. An "appleseed" system works great for a lot of people! I do have some new pictures of my system in operation, and will post them and also a more complete discription of my process. Will have to wait for a short time till i'm done with fall planting.......... FABMANDELUX
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Appleseed
I have also been researching several different systems. I was thinking about building an appleseed and have more than enough sources for oil here in the South Houston Area. I am looking for someone to split the cost of a system and a possible location outside of the city limits where I wont have to worry about any nosey neighbors. I wass also wondering if anyone has looked at this system or actually tried it? http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/oilsys.html
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From: west MI
Originally Posted by buckshot047
I wonder how much the president is profiting from the increase???? I reralize the EPA is indirectly responsible...but lets look at who has control over the EPA and waht they do and when and where they do it...Thats right a fedrally funded and run agency ie run by the president and or his people!
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From: NJ
The epa has been around for years now you are correct and it took over 100 years for fuel to get to $1.50 per gallon. Now it somehow doubled in price in the last three years. We have enough fuel in reserve to carry this country for over eight months. Yet with all our knowledge and man power we can not overcome this tragedy without doubling the price of fuel?? Just makes no sence to me. Someone is making a hugh profit and it is not the carpenter like me. Must be the oil companies. Doesn't Bush own a few of them?
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look around; people are still driving...AAA had their mid July to mid August report out and the amount of driving broke all previous records...supply and demand...as long as people are still driving around as if there was no problem, albeit complaining, but not cutting back enough why not gouge the consumer...it would have to hit 6.04/gal to equal the rate back in the early eighties as compared to today. Not siding with the oil companies but hey I'd be doing the same too if people kept buying it up...and no, Bush dosent "own" any oil companies....wish I did...then I'd make enough to fill up my truck..lol
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i just wanted to make an observation... i heard in the news a couple of days ago that oil futures where down, and the price of a barrel of light sweet crude was coming down also... why..? a drop in demand... translation...? we the people are starting to drive less which is reducing the demand... on my days off, my truck sits in my driveway 98% of the time... i do not go anywhere i don't have to go... i have plenty to do around the house... seems like more and more people are doing the same thing... that is the power we have... to alter our plans and change the amount of something we consume if the price gets too high... i think that is also a part of the free market system... the only thing i would like to see is the federal government break the monopoly the oil companies have on the us market... the feds did the same thing to "ma bell" decades ago, they need to do the same now.... if you don't think the oil companies have a monopoly... go try to start an oil company.. they will run you out of buisness QUICK..!
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Fumes?
I have a couple of questions for you Bio guys. First how bad are the fumes that come from making bio during all phases? I've noticed that some people have an open top reactor which would seem to make the fumes almost unbearable. Also I've been looking at some pictures that folks have posted and it looks like some people are building their reactors inside ie.. a garage, shop ect... is this safe? The reasons I ask is I live in a small neighborhood and I don't want to upset the neighbors(much). Well any info would be apperciated.
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From: Mexifornia
I have done it both ways; closed and open, but either way I have an open area and primarily you need to avoid the methyloxide fumes and methanol both of which are extremely hazardous to you health (in several ways) and can cause death, not to mention the extreme voiltility of the methanol fumes. The actual odor is mild, not like ethyl alcohol but dangerous. If you use a closed system, which I use now, the pressure generated from the exothermic reaction is not enough to "blow" the lid, it seems to hover around 100-120 degrees F. I hope you do some small batch experiments first to get an idea of whats involved.
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From: Paradise Found!
Originally Posted by Mcol
So what do you do to safeguard against the fumes? Do you vent them outside, keep them contained in you reactor? Thanks for the info
I use an open system for heating and mixing, but my methaoxide mixer is a closed system that can mix 30 gal at a time with all vapors forced through a carbon filter can. I am in the process of building a new "heater-cleaner" that will do 300 gal of oil at a time and it is going to go in it's own building. My whole setup will be installed in this building with it's own ventalation system. I don't mind the smell!! It smell's like MONEY to me!!! FABMANDELUX.
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Fumes
Carbon Filter Can? Can't say I've heard that one before! What is it and what do they cost. Does this eliminate the toxic effect of the fumes and just leave the smell. How long does it last. I've looked at your system and read what you have posted about it so far it seems like a fairly unique approach with a lot of thought. Hope you don't mind if I steal some of your ideas as they are good ones.
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From: Mexifornia
some guys vent it but mine's on casters so i can move it empty, venting is a good idea if its permanent, which we may end up doing when we finalize the system. we might be moving it to where we are close to our prefiltered oil. as for enjoying the fumes...i hope thats a joke, otherwise good-bye liver!...methyloxide can kill you...no joke, but you'll likely pass out prior to "canceling all your life memberships"...and as for system toxicity; there is no cure. you should note that NaOH has a high pH and therefore itself is corrosive just as a low Ph...it is extremely hydrophyllic and will casue "slow burns" if you get it on you and forget to wash it off with plenty of water.
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From: Paradise Found!
Originally Posted by Mcol
Carbon Filter Can? Can't say I've heard that one before! What is it and what do they cost. Does this eliminate the toxic effect of the fumes and just leave the smell. How long does it last. I've looked at your system and read what you have posted about it so far it seems like a fairly unique approach with a lot of thought. Hope you don't mind if I steal some of your ideas as they are good ones.
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Originally Posted by bczolone
some guys vent it but mine's on casters so i can move it empty, venting is a good idea if its permanent, which we may end up doing when we finalize the system. we might be moving it to where we are close to our prefiltered oil. as for enjoying the fumes...i hope thats a joke, otherwise good-bye liver!...methyloxide can kill you...no joke, but you'll likely pass out prior to "canceling all your life memberships"...and as for system toxicity; there is no cure. you should note that NaOH has a high pH and therefore itself is corrosive just as a low Ph...it is extremely hydrophyllic and will casue "slow burns" if you get it on you and forget to wash it off with plenty of water.