I got the fluid changed, drained the torque convertor, did not drain the cooler though cause I figured the amount if fluid in there would be pretty insignificant. So I put in the 4 quarts, start it and immediately dump in 3 more, per Haynes Manual. I change gears, nothing, do it a couple of times, nothing...so I put it in reverse and leave it, and after about 10 seconds, it goes into gear. Neutral, pops out as it should, drive pops into gear after 10 seconds, 2nd, no noticible transition, 1, pops out of gear (as if I were putting it in neutral), and never pops back in.


So I check the fluid, the stick is dry, which the manual said it would be. Then I add another quart, and check it again, now it says it is overfull. I run through the gears and it does the same as before, still not going into gear in "1"

So I decide maybe if I run it around the block, that will give it a chance to circulate. I back out of the drive way, no prob, put it in drive, and agian it takes a few steconds to catch. Once it catchs I give it some gas, I start rolling and it pops out of gear. Then after a few seconds it comes back. I then, so I give it has (light gas) and it goes again, then drops out of gear. I repeat this for half a mile until I get it to where I can stop it. I check the fluid, and it is unchanged. I nursed it back home, and and gave it about 3/4 of full throttle and it stayed in gear, but it was a but indecisive about which gear to go in. When I let it off, it popped out of gear (I do not know if it was coincidence or what).

I am going to go out and pop off a cooling line and drain that, run it again and see how much that lowers the fluid level. The problem is, the manual says I need about 13 quarts in there, and I have barely put in 8.

Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, I did throw a bottle of Lubeguard in there, and I am running Dexron III (per the reply to my post last night).


thanks

ackusackus

 

one other thing of note....I just went out to mess with the cooling lines, and one was lukewarm, and the other felt normal. I ran the motor long enough to get things good and hot, plus I dirve it a mile or 2.......The water temp was up to normal operational temp.

 

It's hard to completely drain a trans. It would take 12 qts on a rebuild, probly not on the a fluid change. Go by your dip stick (if it's the coorect one) Was trhe trans working OK before the change?

 

no, it was getting a litte flakey, usually tried to take off in 2nd, or would shift a little off, but it always went straight immediately into gear. The fluid was definitely brown, no telling how old it was, there was no metal in it, no large chunks in the filter, though there were a few rubbery stringey things. There were no chu7nks in the fluid either.

There was as fine black film on the bottom of stuff, which from what I understand it normal.

 

I had a tranney do that, first get the correct fluid level and try it, but I had to put in a new tranney, there was junk in the pan, so I had to replace it.

 

It doesn't sound good. Sometimes charging fluid can make things worse. I once change fluid in my car that I just rebuild 3 years prior, and it was working fine. When I was done I only had reverse, I wanted to get into it to see what happened, but we needed it for vacation in 10 days. I didn't like it but had to pay for a rebuild. It sounds like it may have been goin out, it was worth a try. Do u have a reverse? put it in low & see what happens. Then try 2 position.knowing what happens can help diagnose. There alot of clutch packs & roller clutches(aka sprag ) that when bad can cause different symptoms.

 

The manual says to put in 8 quarts in a dry transmission. The capacity is 12 3/4 qts approx. Did you check the dipstick with the engine running? After warming up, put the selector in all positions, return to park and check the level.

 

the rest of that fluid goes into the converter. You should fill the converter while it is off (if you are doing a rebuild) so that its full when you start.

LMan

 

I think I have a handle on it.....When I was thinking it was over filled, it was residual fluid in the tube that was about an inch over the top of the add area. I also noticed that the little holes in the stick had no fluid in them which peaked my curosity. After checking it like 10 times, I finally got a dry stick. So I poured more in, the bottom 2 holes were filled in, so I poured a little more in, ran it through the gears, and eureka, it immediately went into gear, and stayed, I took it for an extensive drive, and towards the end it started dropping out of gear when I went around hard corners. Brought it home. Dipstick was dry (I don't have any leaks, it is just finally filling everything )

So I poured more in, and I will check it out again when I go to work tomorrow, and pack a funnel and a bottle of dexron til everything is hunkie-dorie. At this point, I am up to about 10-11 quarts. I think I am going to end up putting about 12 quarts in when all is said and done.

There seems to me that there is a fair amount of slippage, but that there was before this little adventure, but then again I am a manual tranny guy, so it is prolly just me... It seems like it still drags the shift a tiny but, but as soon as it makes up its mind, it is a much sharper shift, where before it kinda gradually fell into gear.


thanks for all the help.....I was flipping out when I got done, fired her up and she wouldn't go into gear. I need my truck for work tomorrow and catching a ride with someone is not an option. I know it is on its way out, but a tranny is not in the budget right now (another reason I flipped when it acted up)

thanks again,


ackus