Switching Motors.....
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Switching Motors.....
I am in the process of putting a 302 EFI from a 1989 Lincoln Continental into a 1954 Ford F100, and I would like to know what I need to do this. I have no idea what I am doing. Any suggestions and help would be great.
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Switching Motors.....
I am in the process of putting a 302 EFI from a 1989 Lincoln Continental into a 1954 Ford F100, and I am wondering what I need to do this. I have no idea what I am doing. Any suggestions and help would be appreciated! Someone called me today, and told me to look in the articles on this site for a description of what needs to be done, but I can't find it. Maybe he was talking about the wrong stuff; I don't know, but it is not in there. He said that he was looking in a magazine and it told him to get into this web site, so now I am asking you where to go for the information or any detailed help.
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Give us a little more info;
What front suspension do you plan to run?
What rear end do you plan to use?
Is the 89 donor drivetrain - CFI, SP-EFI or MAF-EFI ?
These have a bearing on what needs to be considered.
(We have a few tech articles in the tech article section dealing with front suspension and rear end selection, and I think one on converting to MAF-EFI, but for the rest of it, it's mainly a case of searching through this forum for previous discussions or asking specific questions. Anyway, clarify the above issues and we'll help you through it. Got some pretty knowledgeable folks in here).
What front suspension do you plan to run?
What rear end do you plan to use?
Is the 89 donor drivetrain - CFI, SP-EFI or MAF-EFI ?
These have a bearing on what needs to be considered.
(We have a few tech articles in the tech article section dealing with front suspension and rear end selection, and I think one on converting to MAF-EFI, but for the rest of it, it's mainly a case of searching through this forum for previous discussions or asking specific questions. Anyway, clarify the above issues and we'll help you through it. Got some pretty knowledgeable folks in here).
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Welcome to the 1948-1960 Forum. 
There are quite a few knowledgeable folks here and we'll try to answer your questions.
I merged your earlier thread about the same issues. I doubt you really have NO idea what you are doing - you clearly came up with the truck and engine.
On the other hand, as Fergie mentioned, we need to know more about your project, your skills, what tools you have available, how much you have to spend, etc.
Start with this question - why have you decided to do this transplant?
Next, what do you want to have when you are done? Do you want a daily driver, a tow truck, a winning show truck, a nice old truck to drive once in a while, a perfect restoration?
There are lots of possibilities as you can see. For us to give you a good answer to your original question, we need you to answer the above questions after some thought.
There are quite a few knowledgeable folks here and we'll try to answer your questions.I merged your earlier thread about the same issues. I doubt you really have NO idea what you are doing - you clearly came up with the truck and engine.
On the other hand, as Fergie mentioned, we need to know more about your project, your skills, what tools you have available, how much you have to spend, etc.Start with this question - why have you decided to do this transplant?
Next, what do you want to have when you are done? Do you want a daily driver, a tow truck, a winning show truck, a nice old truck to drive once in a while, a perfect restoration?
There are lots of possibilities as you can see. For us to give you a good answer to your original question, we need you to answer the above questions after some thought.
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Ok, there are a lot of questions that you have asked. But let me be truthful for a minute. (I expected a quick response to this) But since there aren't any, and it is going to take me a while to get all of your questions answered. I would like to add, not that this may even be relavent, that the person that is doing the motor is my father, and not me myself. (This is his daughter) He is not a very big fan of the computer! Anyway, to answer some of your questions, as far as I know, he has all of the tools nessessary to get the job done. I will ask him, but I think that he decided to put this motor in this truck, because he has the motor sitting around, and instead of buying another one, he wants to use what he has. He is restoring the truck, and he always does a great job with his restorations. I will have to find out what exactly he is wanting to do here. On the other hand, I will find out your questions for you, so you can help him out.
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I have gotten all the answers that the both of you asked.
1. The front suspension is from a 78 Chrysler (Sub-framed)
2. The rear end is a Ford 9 Inch (300 Gears)
3. He thinks the 89 Donor is a multi port, it is a 302 HO
4. He wants to do this, because it is the new style now days for a show truck
5. He has the skills to do the job, but does not know anything about EFI
6. He is willing to invest in what he needs, but does not want to spend a fortune on it.
If that is the case then he will just go with a carborated if this is too expensive.
7. He just wants to re-store for a show truck.
If there are any more questions, please feel free to ask. He is in need of any help that he can get.
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1. The front suspension is from a 78 Chrysler (Sub-framed)
2. The rear end is a Ford 9 Inch (300 Gears)
3. He thinks the 89 Donor is a multi port, it is a 302 HO
4. He wants to do this, because it is the new style now days for a show truck
5. He has the skills to do the job, but does not know anything about EFI
6. He is willing to invest in what he needs, but does not want to spend a fortune on it.
If that is the case then he will just go with a carborated if this is too expensive.
7. He just wants to re-store for a show truck.
If there are any more questions, please feel free to ask. He is in need of any help that he can get.
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Hi there! Welcome to FTE. You might want to go to the Articles/Specs link at the top of the page, then click on "steering/suspension" and scroll down till you come to an article about changing a 53 to accept a Volare clip. Or try this link:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/article/...1953_F100.html
For an EFI, tell dad to grab everything attached to the engine, firewall and dash. He can discard later what he doesn't use, but he'll wish he had whatever he leaves behind. As far as a 302, it's a fairly easy swap - I'd grab some aftermarket crossmembers for the engine and tranny. Sounds like a good project. And tell dad not to be afraid of computers. He can type with one finger like the rest of us.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/article/...1953_F100.html
For an EFI, tell dad to grab everything attached to the engine, firewall and dash. He can discard later what he doesn't use, but he'll wish he had whatever he leaves behind. As far as a 302, it's a fairly easy swap - I'd grab some aftermarket crossmembers for the engine and tranny. Sounds like a good project. And tell dad not to be afraid of computers. He can type with one finger like the rest of us.
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One thing that he doesn't understand is, what does the suspension and rear end have to do with switching the motor? When I asked him the questions, he looked at me like I had two heads. He said that, it shouldn't matter what suspension and rear end he wants to use. He just wants to swap motors.
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Some suspension setups get in the way of some oilpans, and some engines are better with certain rear gears if it will be driven every day. For a show truck, none of this matters as much, but sshhhhhh......... don't tell the guys. Some of them get a little over-technical now and them. Just humor them and nod like you agree. LOL
Did I see from your profile you guys are in Ohio? That's where I was born and raised. Most of my family is still there. Even George lives there!
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Did I see from your profile you guys are in Ohio? That's where I was born and raised. Most of my family is still there. Even George lives there!
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Thank you for posting the article on the sub-frame. Dad read the article that you mentioned. He said that all of that is finished. All that needs to be done is, to install the 302 HO into the truck. He is stuck with the wiring, if he needs the computer box, and what ever else he needs to install this engine.
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OK, were making some progress now. I know a couple of you have recently discussed installing an EFI system with the computer. It sounds like that's where the main issue lies. One of you with some experience jump in here and add to what Tim has already contributed.
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Since we know he is using the "Volare" style front suspension, we can say that he'll definitely need a rear sump oil pan.
Engine mounts will be awkward - No Limit Engineering sell a set of mounts that most people aren't too impressed with. They come in pieces which you weld together. It's far easier to make your own....
For a tranny mount, one of those "universal" tranny mounts made of steel tubing will work fine - Summit Racing and just about everybody else sells them...
Engine mounts will be awkward - No Limit Engineering sell a set of mounts that most people aren't too impressed with. They come in pieces which you weld together. It's far easier to make your own....
For a tranny mount, one of those "universal" tranny mounts made of steel tubing will work fine - Summit Racing and just about everybody else sells them...
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Nice to see another 54 back on the road! Like your dad thinks that if the EFI is too much of a hassle then a carbureted motor will do just fine. Best of luck and if you can some pics would be great and please keep us posted from time to time.
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From what I'm reading he is comfortable with doing the mechanicals he's not comfortable with electronics, either desktop or rolling. Tell Dad that there are companies that are coming to his rescue with small fuel/ignition mamagement only ECU's (that's Electronic Control Unit, if he's not comfortable calling it a computer) For just this problem, there aren't too many good carburated engines laying around anymore. Some places to Check are: Painless Wiring, and I hear Ford themselves are offering them thru their aftermarket products and accessories line. They are easily hooked up, just plug in a few connectors and fire it up. The unit itself is small enough to mount right on the engine.
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Thank you all for the quick responses. I will be sure to show dad this, and I will probably have more to post tomorrow after he sees this. If anyone else should have any more information, it would be greatly appreciated!
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