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Your Knowlege Please
Im looking at the PSD, I still have not jumped yet, as ive been told by a few people that if I do alot of in-around town driving that the PSD would be a bad option!
My main concern is this Warm up / Cool down thing that has been brought up before.
Also I will be using it around a business, with a central office, and there will be times that I will need to make short trips around the property then back to the office. Am I going to need to have the PSD run for a while just to make a short trip around the property. Then cool down when i get back.
this running around happens in the summer as well as in the winters
was also told that the constant start/stopping is hard on the glow plugs!
Basically Ive had people personally tell me they love the PSD, but I dont know how much start/stop driving they do, compared to what I do.
Out of two dealers, ive had one tell me not to get the PSD because of the start/stopping and one dealer that has told me that it doesnt matter and it wont hurt it any!
So what do you know??
My main concern is this Warm up / Cool down thing that has been brought up before.
Also I will be using it around a business, with a central office, and there will be times that I will need to make short trips around the property then back to the office. Am I going to need to have the PSD run for a while just to make a short trip around the property. Then cool down when i get back.
this running around happens in the summer as well as in the winters
was also told that the constant start/stopping is hard on the glow plugs!
Basically Ive had people personally tell me they love the PSD, but I dont know how much start/stop driving they do, compared to what I do.
Out of two dealers, ive had one tell me not to get the PSD because of the start/stopping and one dealer that has told me that it doesnt matter and it wont hurt it any!
So what do you know??
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They do take a bit longer to warm up, but that really isn't a problem. You only need to idle to cool down if you've just been running real hard, like towing a large trailer. If you are running around town, just shut it off like a gas engine.
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The new diesels available on the market today are better engineered than diesels of old, so the starting/stopping won't necessarily hurt the motor itself per say, but it will have some affect on mpg. With proper care, you're still going to get 200-300,000 miles on a diesel motor (maybe more, depending).
If your trucks utility is as you described, I'd recommend a gasser, if for nothing else but to avoid that initial $5K cost of the PSD. Sounds to me like the new 5.4L with 300hp would work nicely for you. It would get better mpg with the starts/stops driving you described. The V-10 would get similar mpg(probably 1-3mpg less than the 5.4L V-8), but not quite as good as the 5.4L.
It may also depend on how long you keep your trucks? If this is primarily a work truck and you're going to depreciate it, ask your accountant which would be the better way to go. If you will definitely be keeping the truck for 8, 9, 10 years or more, then the PSD is the obvious choice.
Isn't Ford mirroring the Chevy "Employee Price" campaign right now? Could be some $ savings on certain truck models there too to consider...
Best,
Daryl
If your trucks utility is as you described, I'd recommend a gasser, if for nothing else but to avoid that initial $5K cost of the PSD. Sounds to me like the new 5.4L with 300hp would work nicely for you. It would get better mpg with the starts/stops driving you described. The V-10 would get similar mpg(probably 1-3mpg less than the 5.4L V-8), but not quite as good as the 5.4L.
It may also depend on how long you keep your trucks? If this is primarily a work truck and you're going to depreciate it, ask your accountant which would be the better way to go. If you will definitely be keeping the truck for 8, 9, 10 years or more, then the PSD is the obvious choice.
Isn't Ford mirroring the Chevy "Employee Price" campaign right now? Could be some $ savings on certain truck models there too to consider...
Best,
Daryl
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If your trucks utility is as you described, I'd recommend a gasser, if for nothing else but to avoid that initial $5K cost of the PSD. Sounds to me like the new 5.4L with 300hp would work nicely for you. It would get better mpg with the starts/stops driving you described. The V-10 would get similar mpg(probably 1-3mpg less than the 5.4L V-8), but not quite as good as the 5.4L.
Im currently tossing around the idea of keeping my current truck for snowplowing, they arent going to give me much for it and the cost to transer the plow is going run anywhere from 1100 to 2200. depending on what plow-dealer does it (See my post "SnowPlow Questions").
Which also means that I could possibly downgrade to a F150 because I will not need the HeavyDutyNess for a snowplow.
Now some more bad news the color i want isnt available with the lariat pkg, with a dark colored interior. And I cant even throw my 6ft long weedwacker in the bed because its only 5.5 ft long...
This truck shopping is getting to be a pain.....Darn plow, color, options, bed sizes.
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SDTruckman,
The V-10, admittedly, is better suited for the 3/4- and 1-ton trucks. Guess I'm just used to my 5.4L. Maybe a F-150 would be better choice for your new truck since you're keeping the old one as the plow truck.
If the F-150 is indeed a serious consideration, you've at least narrowed it down to comparing the F-150's options/colors vs. the F-250's options/colors. Don't forget to check on what model trucks (if any) are under the Ford "Employee discount Pricing" plan (like Chevy's running right now), OR if Ford has extra $$$ incentives on the 05's.
What options are you specifically looking for in the new truck?
Best,
Daryl
The V-10, admittedly, is better suited for the 3/4- and 1-ton trucks. Guess I'm just used to my 5.4L. Maybe a F-150 would be better choice for your new truck since you're keeping the old one as the plow truck.
If the F-150 is indeed a serious consideration, you've at least narrowed it down to comparing the F-150's options/colors vs. the F-250's options/colors. Don't forget to check on what model trucks (if any) are under the Ford "Employee discount Pricing" plan (like Chevy's running right now), OR if Ford has extra $$$ incentives on the 05's.
What options are you specifically looking for in the new truck?
Best,
Daryl
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Well the availalilty of a V10 is pretty much non-existant. Cant find one and the ones they do find are not really what I want. I havent totally ruled out the PSD, but think if i keep my current truck for plowing the PSD is going to be overkill for my needs.
So if im going to get a V10 then i guess i will need to order one.
Asked the dealer yesterday to look for a F150 with comparable options of the f250 and havent heard from them. I think they are tired of dealing with matter as much as I am, but Ill be darn if im going to spend this much money and not do the right thing.
Maybe Im making a bigger deal out of it then what needs to be, but hey its 30,000 +.
If it wasnt for the plow I think this would be easier to deal with. We are just unsure at this point what to do with the current set up.
So if im going to get a V10 then i guess i will need to order one.
Asked the dealer yesterday to look for a F150 with comparable options of the f250 and havent heard from them. I think they are tired of dealing with matter as much as I am, but Ill be darn if im going to spend this much money and not do the right thing.
Maybe Im making a bigger deal out of it then what needs to be, but hey its 30,000 +.
If it wasnt for the plow I think this would be easier to deal with. We are just unsure at this point what to do with the current set up.
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go with a V10!
I've got a 5.4 in my F250. IMO it's underpowered for a 3/4 ton truck. My next truck will be the V10. I would not consider a 5.4 again unless it is a standard cab manual tranny that is only used for light hauling. The mpg dif between V8 and V10 is minimal due to the fact that the V10 works less hard to do the same job. Like you said, the 5.4 is a high RPM motor. It pulls 4500 RPM before the power band kicks in. Serious drinker. 
The 5.4 also loses speed when pulling a trailer up hill and down shifts all the time when pulling as little as 4000 pounds. An annoyance when towing.
Stay away from the 5.4 new or old.
The 5.4 also loses speed when pulling a trailer up hill and down shifts all the time when pulling as little as 4000 pounds. An annoyance when towing.Stay away from the 5.4 new or old.
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Cant find one and the ones they do find are not really what I want.
Do your own search. Go to Ford's website and there's an area you can search dealer inventories. I searched over 3 dozen dealers before I found a 2005 V10 that I liked. In many cases (here in MI anyway) it's hard to find any at all.
I do agree, don't get the 5.4L although there are lots of 2005's to choose from.
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If you are going to tow anything heavy get the V10 I ordered my new 05 with the V10after reading on this web site it was not a mistake. The v 10 is smooth quiet and lots of power. It is no worse on fuel than my old 5.8 old motor. The $5.000 price buys lots of gas.
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Everyone always mentions the $5000 price difference between v10 and 6.0 motors. The invoice difference is only $3800. You can and should always pay invoice for a vehicle in this day and age. You tell the dealer that is your final offer and they can all sell you a vehicle at invoice. So the difference is really only $3800. This is still something to consider but much less than the thought of spending $5000. At resale time the difference is more than $5000 between comparably equipeed v10 vs powerstroke because the market is much stronger for the diesel. Financially it does make sense to buy the diesel. Other factors such as type of use ie- hauling and long trips verses short trips and light duty are more of a factor than the money. If you are always hauling the diesel will save you a fortune on fuel and the power will be better. If you don't haul very often and take short trips all the time maybe the v10 will be the better choice. The diesel is not always the best choice in my opinion but it is not because of the money.
If you are buying a truck that costs over $30k and scraping pennies to purchase it and the extra $3800 will break the bank then you may be in over your head in the first place. Just my opinion.
If you are buying a truck that costs over $30k and scraping pennies to purchase it and the extra $3800 will break the bank then you may be in over your head in the first place. Just my opinion.
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I think from your description of your driving patterns that a v10 would best suite your needs. It's hard to let go of wanting a PSD though. I may still buy one in the future when I tow cross country more often.
As far as availabilty goes, Have you checked E-bay Motors? That's where I purchased mine and although mine is older (00) I do remember seeing many 05's during my search.
Good luck!
As far as availabilty goes, Have you checked E-bay Motors? That's where I purchased mine and although mine is older (00) I do remember seeing many 05's during my search.
Good luck!
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