Don't forget to take into account the cost of maint on the diesel. 12 - 14 qts of oil, plus the filter, vs. 6 qts on the v10. Those costs add up.

Initial cost, maint, fuel prices (currently), etc. It takes owning a diesel roughly 250,000 miles for your initial exspense to balance out vs the V10.

 

I'll try to answer all. First, it's not the smell of the diesel prior to being pumped into the truck, it's the smell after the truck is done with it. This truck will be my daily driver and I will tow a 4500 lb Seaswirl Spyder 900 miles twice a year. To Shasta over the siskews, and then to Hells Canyon from Baker city, both hilly. I don't worry about resale for this will be the last truck I will own. If I can find the right one it will be red, black, white, or dark gray. crew cab short bed 4x4 lifted 6" with 35s, or 38s. what I don't know yet is........what I want. Thanks guys I'm getting closer.

 

My wife, Julie has a 2000 7.3 so I can tell you from first hand knowledge. When my V-10 was stock, pulling a 5000lb horse trailer with 2 horses=7000 pds. I can tell you that I would rather have the V-10. Better accelleration all the way up the rpms. Quieter at idle and accelleration. I added a Factory Tech Valve Body which really helps the transmission. Runs cooler with no slippage. Just thought I would give you my input.

 

[QUOTE=dawson735]My son has a 2001 Powerstroke 7.3 4x4 sb lifted. Awsome truck. I plan, in the near future, of getting my own F350, and here lies my delema. I don't care for the noise or smell of a diesel, but I am afraid if I get a V10 I'll be giving up something in power. Then again, I understand you can run V10s on 87 proof.

If I could get some feedback from both sides

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I had a 95 and a 2000 7.3 PSDs. Both great motors , good on fuel and pretty good power. I had an 04 6.0, great power, used about 20 % more fuel than the 7.3s, leaked oil, idled rough, and caused me to be hauled in twice.
In 05 , Ford came out with an 11200 pound GVW in a SRW that I wanted as my 04 F350 SRW only had 9900 and I was 1000 pounds overweight with my slide in camper on. I did not want to gamble on another 6.0 PSD so I took a leap of faith and ordered an 05 V10. I never drove a V10 before so the V10 Forum and Fredvon's experience with his new KR V10 made me take the plunge. Six months later I am still thrilled with this 3 valve gas motor. I just did a 2300 mile trip weighing in at 11080 pounds. I had campers on my 7.3s and they did not have the snort this V10 has. I did this same trip last Sept with my 04 6.0 and this V10 matched the performance of my 6.0. The 6.0 averaged averaged 10.5 with the camper and the V10 was 8.7 MPG so less than 2 mpg dif. I drive my vehicles hard on these trips and I never will be a high mileage driver so I am tickled pink with my new V10. Go down to the V10 Forum and see how many of us ex diesel guys are happy with our choice. I have had my truck for 6 months and I only have 4500 mlies on it. I have a short 8 mile commute to work and then a couple of 2000 mile trips a year with my camper on so for me a V10 is a good choice. If you tow or haul heavy for over 30000 miles a year, the PSD might be the better choice, but do not underestimate the power of the 3 valve V10. It is an incredible motor and the oil level never moved on that dipstick in 2300 hard miles. My 7.3s would use a quart every 800 miles when I worked them hard and the 6.0 actually creeped up the dipstick and got awful light feeling so I was pretty certain I had injectors leaking diesel into the engine oil. I didn't bother doing UOA as I knew I was getting rid of it . Take care and do the research. good luck in what ever you buy. Wrenchtraveller.

 

V10 or diesel comes down to what you want, just the same as V10 vs 5.4L does. Just the same as Super Duty vs F150 does. Just like crew cab or super cab, 4x4 or 2wd.
The 6.0 PSD is an upgrade over the gas engine, and like any other upgrade item/package, there is a charge for it.

It all comes down to whether or not you want to pay for the upgrade. I would take an XLT package with carpet delete for free, but I would not pay for it. I can get what I need by merely adding AC and cruise to an XL. It pains me not, to manually roll my windows down, especially with the Super Duty - Ford gave the manual windows a nice crank ratio.

Everyone gives the reason for their choice in the form of an excuse. No excuse is needed however, you simply buy what you want. Many diesel owners will cite better resale, longevity, fuel mileage, etc, in an attempt to excuse their decision to buy the upgrade. They will say they will never go back to gas again, which seems to be a way to convince themselves of money well spent. They don't want to be seen or labeled as suckers who paid for more for something than it is really worth.

Many V10 guys will cite less maintenance, cheaper fuel, less up front cost, low mileage, and a whole host of other reasons, in an attempt to excuse their decision not to opt for the diesel upgrade. They don't want to be seen or labled as cheapskates who didint have sense enough to ante up the little extra dough for the option. They don't want to be made to feel that their trucks are inferior just because they run on gasoline.

In truth this question can never be answered to everyones satisfaction. Both sides have pro's and cons - all of which have been hashed over so many times already.
The V10 is a very powerful motor, and IMO it would actually be plenty of motor for any job. Most likely it'll take anything any of the diesel guys could throw at it and kick back change. At the same time there are some jobs where the diesel motor is going to perform better, it offers more power and easier upgradability, and for some kinds of work it just makes more sense. This comes at added cost.

 

The feed back has been enlightning. I have made up my mind. I wont tell you what it is, dont want the neg. feedback. Thanks skipperoo, wrenchtravler and all the rest of you. This worked.

 

I wish when people said the diesel had more power they would say torque. The V10 has more "power" than the diesel (horsepower), and the diesel has more torque (comparing '05 to '05). The gas has 362 horses, the diesel 325. The gas has 457 lb-ft of torque, the diesel has 570. The only difference between the trucks, that isn't personal opinion and where the diesel has it over the gasser, is the torque. Figure out if that's what you **need** most and you'll be able to make your decision pretty easy I would think.

I prefer gas over diesel. I've driven both. I bought an '05 V10 over the same truck with diesel. I didn't "settle" for the V10, because I could have afforded either, and "chose" the gasser. The economic reason for picking one over the other seems silly to me. You should buy what you want and more importantly need.

I have a higher payload than the same truck with diesel, and there isn't a load out there that someone will *need* a diesel to pull that the gas couldn't.

I wanted the higher payload the gas offered, the differential gearing only available with gas (4.30), and same towing capacity as the diesel (which I'll likely never be overweight towing). Also, the gas engine will "likely" last longer than I'll keep the truck (I've been told at least a hundred times the diesel will last over 300,000 miles by people that keep them until they've got 75,000 miles and trade them in on the newest model). If you frequent the V10 forum you'll see people are getting very high mileage out of the V10.

I've got a neighbor and when I pulled into the driveway with my new truck the first thing he said was, 'you'll love that V10, if it's anything like the engine in my motorhome'. If you have additional questions about the V10, look to some of the RV forums and you'll typically hear very good things about Ford's V10.

One other thing to consider is PSD stands for something like Pretty Small D*** Compensation...everyone will know if you're compensating.

 

Darn, I was 10 minutes too late to convince you otherwise

 

Really????

 

Wrench, are you writing that I just wasted 10 minutes

 

Accually ACE changed my mind. I think I'm going to choose the V10 based on what he said and the fact my som has that 2001 PSD. A good chance to test both. And as he said cost is not a factor here. I can use 87 octane and dont have to smell diesel farts. Thanks ACE and all you other gear heads. I guess it really does come down to a matter of what you do and dont want.

 

WARNING

This truck is powered with a TRITON V10
Due to possible breathing problems under rapid
acceleration, all females are advised to remove
any tight fitting or constrictive clothing
for their safety.
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Payload argument for the V10 is certainly right. Got to comparing payloads in another forum and the deisel was 5,200 pounds, versus my 5,700. (Sales literature says 5,800, but the door jamb says 5,700.)

Of course this all varies according to your options but the V10 payload should be more than comparable to the deisel because it weighs less. An option to consider is to identify your personal requirements, spec a vehicle out tailored to those requirements, and have it built in less than 6 weeks.


If you lift in the South and stay on the hiways, you might as well not carry around a hundred pounds or so of extra FWD gears. Ditto with the larger cabs - if you need more space, fine, otherwise don't carry around several hundred extra pounds that only decrease your payload. If you live in Minnesota, you might not even need an air conditioner.

Its looking like the cost of gas - and deisel fuel - are seriously up, and quite possibly going even further. While there is an argument that the price of deisel is influenced by the war and the fact that the same refineries make both jet fuel and deisel fuel, so that maybe as the war effort declines the price of deisel should drop, there's a counter argument too, which I think is a bigger one.

There's a 6-week TV show on now about the American expansion across the West, that more or less relates both the Indian and Settler sides. The point is being made that the inexorable movement of whites across the Indian lands was as unstoppable as the Wind, Sun and Moon.

So what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Well, that's the key word, "China". Both China and India have now become industrialized, big time, and there's no turning back - remember the Wind, Sun and Moon?

Their energy needs are going to be driving the world's petroleum requirements for some time until more drilling/refining investments can produce results, so factor that into your purchase decision too. Does $3 a gallon hurt? How about $4 or even $5?

When anybody figures it all out, how about letting the rest of us know... In my case I've got an '05 V10 dually that gets over 30 mpg unloaded, because that's what my daily driver will get. Of course it gets a little less when its towing 15,000 pounds...

 

I sold my diesel to get a v-10. I was a little concernd at first but when I hooked that 16k to it and it pulled it like it was nothing I knew I had made a good choice. Everybody keeps saying that the diesel is so much better, they need to check out the 05 v-10. When I first got the truck I thought this thing dosent have as much power as they claim but after I got some miles on her man oh man. You cannot take of from a stop without spinning the tires and the low end torque of this thing is incredible.