hello all,

i have an 87 f150 with a 302. right now i'm really considering a new engine. do you guys know of a good source to buy a brand new 302? how much should i expect to pay? also, i was told that the 87 f150s had a regular 302 and a high output 302. how do i know which one i currently have? and, if i have the regular 302, what kind of mods are necessary to install the high output version? thanks in advance!

 

AutoZone sells remanufactured long and short blocks from Recon for aroun $1,000. That's about as good a price as you can get. If you want new, try Ford Motorsports; Summit Racing had a supply of new 302s also; Jeg's is another good source; also PAW has some good deals. You can also search the net for "new engines" or "302" and get some good responses.

Slik

 

From the 87 Sales Brochure, it only states that the 351 had a "high-output". The only engines that were Fuel injected in 87 was the 300, and the 302. Mustangs had a 302HO, but not the F-150's.

 

>From the 87 Sales Brochure, it only
>states that the 351 had a
>"high-output". The only engines that
>were Fuel injected in 87 was
>the 300, and the 302.
>Mustangs had a 302HO, but not
>the F-150's.


so, would replacing my 302 with a mustang 302H.O. be a good idea? why or why not? it looks like i'm gonna replace my engine soon, so while i'm at it, i figger i may as well get something with more power. i wouldn't mind a 351, but i really don't need extra hassle. or, would it be better to stick with a regular 302, and just modify it?

thanks

 

Jasper engines at jasperengines.com have a wide range of engines available in all ranges. They will build you a 302 with as much horsepower as you can afford.

 

The 351W will bolt right in place of your 302 and you can purchase an adapter from Ford for around $50-60 bucks and all your front accessories will transfer from your 302. It should be as easy to swap in the 351W as a new 302. (The 351W is about 1 1/2" taller, I believe). Depends on what you want to swap; the 351W will require a different intake manifold and different oil pan.

Slik

 

I have finished my 300/6 to 302HO swap in my 85 f-150 and 700mi. later everythings fine. I bought my 95 mustang motor new from Ford, came on a crate, w/edlrbrook rpm intake, water pump, Duraspark dist., SS headers, flywheel, Oil filter, plug wires, plugs, etc. $2195. Spent another $1500 to $2000 for other stuff. The thing runs great. I should get a 4-speed automatic though.

Let me know if you have any questoins.......

Moe

 

how noticiable is the difference in power and speed when you drive with the new motor? are you completely satisfied after doing so?

what was the "other stuff" that you spent 1500-2000 on? was it necessary stuff, or just new replacements, or additional modifications? thanks....

 

Well it was a big difference from the 6, it dosen't "try" to get to 65mph, it just gets there without a struggle. I'm using the 3-sp. automatic that came with the 6 and I know it's not geared right for a 302 but for now it's OK. With this automatic the revs never go over 3000rpm, I'm still taking it easy, I bet it would really go with a 4-speed. I'm glad I did this swap, cheaper than a new truck and my leadfooted wife loves it.

The extra money was for alt., air pump, power steering pump, $250 for a "Y" pipe, $400 for dual exhaust system, $250 for SS truck headers, auto flexplate, Ford wiring harness, hi output coil and ignition box from Ford made by MSD, water pump for truck 302, $250 single belt surpintine system off 88 F150, new double row radiator, truck oil pan, hoses, $250 Carter AFB, Elec. fuel pump and reg., $80 strip kit for carb., chrome valve covers and air cleaner, Motor mount brackets and mounts, I know I'm forgetting something but any way all this stuff adds up but the good part is I bought all this a piece at a time so the cost didn't hurt that bad. Now all this is paid for, Insurance didn't change, I'm the original owner. Now I have to rebuild the brakes, tie rods and whatever the front end needs, then think about a 4-sp. auto and rear end if needed. This was my first 6 for 8 swap I've done and it was fun. I like the looks of the nonbelievers when the hood is raised.....With the new A/C I put in 2yrs ago it's a meat cooler.

Well, are you gonna do it?.....
let me know,
moe

 

moe,

i'm definitely going to get a new engine! unfortunately, this is something that i will have to save up for

i definitely need new headers too, but do i really need all that other stuff you bought since i already have a 302? were all those other parts things that you needed anyway, or are they parts that the mustang engine requires?

also, do you have any pics of your engine online? or could you email me some pics? if not, don't worry, it's no big deal.

thanks

 

I don't know how to work this message board very well so, drop me your e-mail address and I'll show you some pix.

moe
rocky50@ev1.net

 

Moe,
I have been following your posts for a while now,and have been impressed with your 6 to 8 cylinder Ford to Ford project.I have been building my 91 F250 competition Mud Bogger for about the last 9 months,(at about the same furiouse pace you tackled your project).My F250 is everything I visioned when I first started modifying it,but I hope it will never actually be finished,(I love working on it).I started a new project though back in May,and because its basicly a Jeep project I dont post questions regaurding it. But I need your info on the 5.0.I am looking(seriousely) into swapping a 5.0 into the wrangler. I could use more info on your crate motor,thats a great price.Who did you order it through? Does it come with all of the electronics,(sensors,wiring harness,ignition,etc.? Will they drop ship it to your address?What kind of HP/torque specs are suggested? How long did delivery take? I just swapped a Dana 44 front axle onto the wrangler,about 2 weeks ago(It was a simple swap).And I picked up my Ford 9" rear this afternoon,(it was just cut to size)and still needs a lot of work. I have been completely in the dark though on the motor swap,I have been looking into buying a wrecked Ford Donor,with an EFI and all of the needed extras,so I could scavenge parts like,power steering,alternator,radiator,etc. But I figured a major overhaul and performance upgrades wouls have to also be figured into the equation.I could sure use your input,I am about to finish a construction project that I am working on and will be moving to a new project soon.This is the best time for me to start a major project,because I know I will be in the same place for a while,(after the move).
Its a Ford Motor,so I guess its at least partialy a Ford topic.
Thanks,
Jeff
Thanks for any info,
Jeff

 

Hey Jeff,
I bought my motor from Tommie Vaughn Ford here in Houston, they were going to deliver it when they got around to it so I picked it up while the 6 was still runnin. The motor didn't come with any sensors because of it bieng a carbed motor and wouldn't need them. I had to replace the flywheel (manual), SS headers, water pump, timming chain cover, oil pan, (to fit a F150). If you can get a donor truck with all the acc. brackets, and EFI that works, (might be easier to go with a carb though, alot less to worry about) I'd just get a new long block from a Ford dealer locally and go from there. If I had to do this over again the first thing I'd do is find a donor truck with the parts that I would need to apply to that swap. I was verrrry lucky to come across a 88 F150 w/a 302 that had a single belt system with the alt. on top, The 3 cast alum. brackets and pulleys cost $250 but now I glad, this system is sweet, none of the acc. pivot, they bolt up in 1 place and the belt tensioner does the rest. Worth $500. Check out the prices of motors on the net, I'd try to get new not rebuilt. Any way let me know what you find,
Moe

 

after riding in an f150 with a 351, i decided that if i'm gonna pay a large amount of money for a new engine, i might as well get something i'll be happy with. my friend's 351 is a butt-load stronger, smoother, and faster than my worn out 302.

in trying to mentally prepare myself for this transition, i need to know what i will need to properly swap these two engines. my questions for you guys:

what parts under my hood can i use from my 302 for a 351?

what parts will i need to buy for the 351 that the 302 parts won't support?

what else? what should i watch out for? what should i expect?

thanks in advance!

 

i have a 72 f-100. by any way did you have a problem putting your headers on??????? my collector on the passenger side is resting right on the frame and i don't like it being there. help

bubba