Jeff's da man!
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Jeff's da man!
I picked up my new F250 last week at Van Bortel. Took a flight in from NC and Jeff met me at the airport. He was hard to miss holding his Van Bortel sign.
I finally had a chance to shake his hand. Upon doing so I saw this white light and felt myself lifting off the ground. Nah,not really.
We got into his black immaculate Lincoln and he whisked me off to dine on the best pulled pork sandwiches I'd ever had. Thanks Jeff, Dinosaur was great. I was surprised how down to earth he was. When we arrived at Van Bortel he slowly cruised by my new ride and I must say she looked sweeeet! We walked into the dealership and things were jumping. Numerous deals closing at the same time and lots of smiles on the faces of customers and sales people. It was a good feeling knowing I was purchasing from such a well respected dealer.
After the deal was done Jeff went over the basics of the truck with me, we shook hands and I was on my way. I left Victor NY at around 5:45 pm and arrived in Oxford PA around 1:30 am and stayed the night at mom's. The next morning, I drove the rest of the way back to NC. The trip back was over 800 flawless miles. I love my new truck. The buying experience with Jeff and Van bortel is like no other and one that I'm sure I will be doing again.
Thanks again Jeff!
I finally had a chance to shake his hand. Upon doing so I saw this white light and felt myself lifting off the ground. Nah,not really.
We got into his black immaculate Lincoln and he whisked me off to dine on the best pulled pork sandwiches I'd ever had. Thanks Jeff, Dinosaur was great. I was surprised how down to earth he was. When we arrived at Van Bortel he slowly cruised by my new ride and I must say she looked sweeeet! We walked into the dealership and things were jumping. Numerous deals closing at the same time and lots of smiles on the faces of customers and sales people. It was a good feeling knowing I was purchasing from such a well respected dealer.
After the deal was done Jeff went over the basics of the truck with me, we shook hands and I was on my way. I left Victor NY at around 5:45 pm and arrived in Oxford PA around 1:30 am and stayed the night at mom's. The next morning, I drove the rest of the way back to NC. The trip back was over 800 flawless miles. I love my new truck. The buying experience with Jeff and Van bortel is like no other and one that I'm sure I will be doing again.
Thanks again Jeff!
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I got a great breakfast from the little family run diner a few blocks from VanBortel Ford. Jeff pointed out all the VB license plate brackets on either Ford or Subaru vehicles (at least 60%) in the parking lot, and it definitely reassured me that this was going to be a great deal.
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Originally Posted by Texascadillac42
You get drive-away plates from Jeff, and all taxes and license plate paperwork is handled in your home state.
Curious what others listed as gross weight on their registration. I wasn't sure if I was required to include the weight of the trailer I was going to be towing or not.
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The trouble with Jeff,& VanBortal ford is that now anyone that bought form thim (them) is now spoiled. How can I fo into an area dealer now and expect such a pleasant experience? Oh well, I'l just have to buy a Ford for anyother vehichles.
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For once IL does something to help their residents out. If you pay for Commercial plates, which are 188 bucks a year, and 2 inspections at 17 bucks a year, there is no sales tax. Not really worth it on a used truck, but on a brand new one it usually makes a difference. By avoiding sales tax, and using Commercial plates, I can run up to 12k GVW, and it will take around 10 years to pay off the sales tax through plates and inspections. Thats a trade off I can live with.
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Originally Posted by Texascadillac42
For once IL does something to help their residents out. If you pay for Commercial plates, which are 188 bucks a year, and 2 inspections at 17 bucks a year, there is no sales tax. Not really worth it on a used truck, but on a brand new one it usually makes a difference. By avoiding sales tax, and using Commercial plates, I can run up to 12k GVW, and it will take around 10 years to pay off the sales tax through plates and inspections. Thats a trade off I can live with.
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Originally Posted by epoxyfloorman
Thats correct. Registered here in NC with a highway use tax of 3% and commercial plate. It cost me a little over $1,300.00 for a gross weight of 10,000 lbs.
Curious what others listed as gross weight on their registration. I wasn't sure if I was required to include the weight of the trailer I was going to be towing or not.
Curious what others listed as gross weight on their registration. I wasn't sure if I was required to include the weight of the trailer I was going to be towing or not.
Epoxyfloorman,
I am also in NC, also bought from Jeff. I registered mine at the highest weight allowable, 13,000 lbs for the F350 DRW. As was explained to me I could register for weights between 7800 some lbs (vehicle weight) and 13,000 lbs, the GVWR (truck and payload) for the F350 DRW. I don't recall exactly but there was about a $15 difference per year between being legal for the lowest weight vs the max weight. Those weights do not include the GCWR or combined weight when towing. It's my understanding you do not need to register for some maximum weight you might tow. Course that's just what the chick in the DMV told me.
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Phil, thanks for the confirmation.
I had conflicting information. When I went to register the truck, the woman told me the truck and fully loaded trailer. If not, I would be subject to a fine if pulled by DMV enforcement. I also called DMV in Raleigh and the woman there told me "she thought" I only needed to register the truck and payload. I'm registered at my max. GVWR currently so I guess all is well.
By the way, nice ride! I see in the picture you posted, Jeff was all dapper. When he came to pick me up, he looked like he had just come from playing in a rugby tournament. What's up with that?
I had conflicting information. When I went to register the truck, the woman told me the truck and fully loaded trailer. If not, I would be subject to a fine if pulled by DMV enforcement. I also called DMV in Raleigh and the woman there told me "she thought" I only needed to register the truck and payload. I'm registered at my max. GVWR currently so I guess all is well.
By the way, nice ride! I see in the picture you posted, Jeff was all dapper. When he came to pick me up, he looked like he had just come from playing in a rugby tournament. What's up with that?
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It looks like they do care about the maximum trailer weight you plan to pull. I got this from the NCDOT web site, from the Vehicle Title Manual pdf.
p.165:
1.1 COMMERCIAL/PERMANENT PLATES G.S. 20-88
Private passenger and property hauling vehicles are those vehicles owned, operated and used solely for personal or private business purposes and are not engaged in transporting passengers or goods for compensation. When such vehicles are commercially operated regularly in transporting property, license fees are based on the owner’s declared gross vehicle weight from 7,000 pounds to 80,000 pounds. Gross vehicle weight is defined by statute as the empty weight of the vehicle plus the heaviest load to be carried including the driver.
Small Trucks With Declared Gross Vehicle Weight --4,000, 5,000 or 6,000 Pounds:
1. Not classified for commercial licensing
2. Issued the First in Flight plate
3. May not legally park in loading zones
It is important to determine how the owner will use such vehicles in order to indicate on the title application the proper class of license. Civil penalties for failure to comply with registration requirements can be severe. Vehicles operating with insufficient license weight as required under G.S.20-99 (a), may be assessed fines ranging from $l0.00 to $7,000 per vehicle violation.
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p. 166:
1.3 WEIGHT G.S. 20-88
License fee determined by gross weight, which is the empty weight and maximum load to be transported (including the empty weight and maximum load of any trailer or semi-trailer that is to be pulled.) The weight of trailers is not included when operated with a truck that is licensed for 6000 pounds or less and the combined gross weight does not exceed 9000 pounds. Passenger and property carrying vehicles used commercially require a minimum weight of 7000 pounds. Property carrying vehicles maximum weight is 80,000 pounds.
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Then there's a fee chart on p.169 which shows all the different fees for different weight ratings. But everything I'm seeing there suggests the weight rating is maximum GCWR expected for the life of the vehicle.
p.165:
1.1 COMMERCIAL/PERMANENT PLATES G.S. 20-88
Private passenger and property hauling vehicles are those vehicles owned, operated and used solely for personal or private business purposes and are not engaged in transporting passengers or goods for compensation. When such vehicles are commercially operated regularly in transporting property, license fees are based on the owner’s declared gross vehicle weight from 7,000 pounds to 80,000 pounds. Gross vehicle weight is defined by statute as the empty weight of the vehicle plus the heaviest load to be carried including the driver.
Small Trucks With Declared Gross Vehicle Weight --4,000, 5,000 or 6,000 Pounds:
1. Not classified for commercial licensing
2. Issued the First in Flight plate
3. May not legally park in loading zones
It is important to determine how the owner will use such vehicles in order to indicate on the title application the proper class of license. Civil penalties for failure to comply with registration requirements can be severe. Vehicles operating with insufficient license weight as required under G.S.20-99 (a), may be assessed fines ranging from $l0.00 to $7,000 per vehicle violation.
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p. 166:
1.3 WEIGHT G.S. 20-88
License fee determined by gross weight, which is the empty weight and maximum load to be transported (including the empty weight and maximum load of any trailer or semi-trailer that is to be pulled.) The weight of trailers is not included when operated with a truck that is licensed for 6000 pounds or less and the combined gross weight does not exceed 9000 pounds. Passenger and property carrying vehicles used commercially require a minimum weight of 7000 pounds. Property carrying vehicles maximum weight is 80,000 pounds.
...
Then there's a fee chart on p.169 which shows all the different fees for different weight ratings. But everything I'm seeing there suggests the weight rating is maximum GCWR expected for the life of the vehicle.
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Originally Posted by TDN
It looks like they do care about the maximum trailer weight you plan to pull. I got this from the NCDOT web site, from the Vehicle Title Manual pdf.
p.165:
1.1 COMMERCIAL/PERMANENT PLATES G.S. 20-88
Private passenger and property hauling vehicles are those vehicles owned, operated and used solely for personal or private business purposes and are not engaged in transporting passengers or goods for compensation. When such vehicles are commercially operated regularly in transporting property, license fees are based on the owner’s declared gross vehicle weight from 7,000 pounds to 80,000 pounds. Gross vehicle weight is defined by statute as the empty weight of the vehicle plus the heaviest load to be carried including the driver.
Small Trucks With Declared Gross Vehicle Weight --4,000, 5,000 or 6,000 Pounds:
1. Not classified for commercial licensing
2. Issued the First in Flight plate
3. May not legally park in loading zones
It is important to determine how the owner will use such vehicles in order to indicate on the title application the proper class of license. Civil penalties for failure to comply with registration requirements can be severe. Vehicles operating with insufficient license weight as required under G.S.20-99 (a), may be assessed fines ranging from $l0.00 to $7,000 per vehicle violation.
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p. 166:
1.3 WEIGHT G.S. 20-88
License fee determined by gross weight, which is the empty weight and maximum load to be transported (including the empty weight and maximum load of any trailer or semi-trailer that is to be pulled.) The weight of trailers is not included when operated with a truck that is licensed for 6000 pounds or less and the combined gross weight does not exceed 9000 pounds. Passenger and property carrying vehicles used commercially require a minimum weight of 7000 pounds. Property carrying vehicles maximum weight is 80,000 pounds.
...
Then there's a fee chart on p.169 which shows all the different fees for different weight ratings. But everything I'm seeing there suggests the weight rating is maximum GCWR expected for the life of the vehicle.
p.165:
1.1 COMMERCIAL/PERMANENT PLATES G.S. 20-88
Private passenger and property hauling vehicles are those vehicles owned, operated and used solely for personal or private business purposes and are not engaged in transporting passengers or goods for compensation. When such vehicles are commercially operated regularly in transporting property, license fees are based on the owner’s declared gross vehicle weight from 7,000 pounds to 80,000 pounds. Gross vehicle weight is defined by statute as the empty weight of the vehicle plus the heaviest load to be carried including the driver.
Small Trucks With Declared Gross Vehicle Weight --4,000, 5,000 or 6,000 Pounds:
1. Not classified for commercial licensing
2. Issued the First in Flight plate
3. May not legally park in loading zones
It is important to determine how the owner will use such vehicles in order to indicate on the title application the proper class of license. Civil penalties for failure to comply with registration requirements can be severe. Vehicles operating with insufficient license weight as required under G.S.20-99 (a), may be assessed fines ranging from $l0.00 to $7,000 per vehicle violation.
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p. 166:
1.3 WEIGHT G.S. 20-88
License fee determined by gross weight, which is the empty weight and maximum load to be transported (including the empty weight and maximum load of any trailer or semi-trailer that is to be pulled.) The weight of trailers is not included when operated with a truck that is licensed for 6000 pounds or less and the combined gross weight does not exceed 9000 pounds. Passenger and property carrying vehicles used commercially require a minimum weight of 7000 pounds. Property carrying vehicles maximum weight is 80,000 pounds.
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Then there's a fee chart on p.169 which shows all the different fees for different weight ratings. But everything I'm seeing there suggests the weight rating is maximum GCWR expected for the life of the vehicle.
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Originally Posted by epoxyfloorman
Phil, thanks for the confirmation.
I had conflicting information. When I went to register the truck, the woman told me the truck and fully loaded trailer. If not, I would be subject to a fine if pulled by DMV enforcement. I also called DMV in Raleigh and the woman there told me "she thought" I only needed to register the truck and payload. I'm registered at my max. GVWR currently so I guess all is well.
By the way, nice ride! I see in the picture you posted, Jeff was all dapper. When he came to pick me up, he looked like he had just come from playing in a rugby tournament. What's up with that?
I had conflicting information. When I went to register the truck, the woman told me the truck and fully loaded trailer. If not, I would be subject to a fine if pulled by DMV enforcement. I also called DMV in Raleigh and the woman there told me "she thought" I only needed to register the truck and payload. I'm registered at my max. GVWR currently so I guess all is well.
By the way, nice ride! I see in the picture you posted, Jeff was all dapper. When he came to pick me up, he looked like he had just come from playing in a rugby tournament. What's up with that?
I just re-registered my truck for 24,000 lbs to be legal with the GCWR of 23,500 lbs for the 05 F350 DRW. When I asked again at the DMV here in Tarboro, NC I was told the registered weight does need to include trailer weight. In other words the GCWR. Friends have also verified this. I had initially registered at 13,000 lbs or the GVWR as I had understood the weight only refered to the truck and payload. If you are registered at the GVWR you may want to check this.
Phil