I think it is. Check out the ratings in this link from insurance companies.

http://www.iihs.org/srpdfs/sr4003.pdf

Not so good for the Excursion. It shows death rates by vehicle types. Excursion is more than double for Expedition or Suburban.

 

Figures lie & liars figure.

First, one cannot draw a direct comparison between the X and the "1/2 ton" Suburban. There was no listing of any 'Burbs OTHER than the 1/2 ton in the report. So, IMHO, the report is incomplete, and I suspect it to be biased. (Did GM stop offering the 2500 Suburban before 1999?)

Second, if you wish a more general comparison from this report, look at the list of the MOST DEADLY vehicles. There are 14 models listed, and HALF of them are Chevrolets, whereas only one Ford made that list. You could also say that more than half (8) were GM vehicles, and only two were Ford-related (I include the Mazda as "related").

Third, "per million registered years" is not an all-inclusive number to base results as shown in the report because it does not take into account the number of deaths per million MILES driven for each model. If Excursions are accumulating twice the miles as the 'Burbs, then the results would show them to be about equal.

If you were to pay me to prepare a huge report like this one, the first thing I'd ask you is what do you want the report to indicate. Then it's just a matter of researching and crunching the appropriate values to achieve the desired result. Make sense?

 

Yep,
worked at a unnamed place in the research and statistics group writing code for extracts etc of the millions of rows of data....

asked to pull a random sample to show what the average for a certain group of things were... means, avgs, stanines, etc...

gave them the results when I pulled the random number seed as the minute + the seconds @ the time of the start of the extract - so I would get the nth record thru the pass starting at the nth record.... and cycling thru the data until I had a statistically meaningful sample....

very proud of the slick way I did it and how it turned out....

presented it & was told, those are not the numbers we're looking for! go run another random sample...
I "discussed" that if it's trully a random sample the numbers will come out the same....

but I did - and proved that my randow sample was random because the numbers came out within a few hundredths of each other...

after two more runs to prove the concept and rejected each time...
I just asked what friggin numbers do you WANT and I'll save a lot of SAS cycles and just type it up !!!

Long story to tell you statistics ARE manipulated on a daily basis

 

Question- how does the Crown Victoria come in with 53, while the mechanically identical Grand Marquis come in with 83? I'd be suspicious of the data sample.

 

I agree data can be massaged any way you want it. I understand how data can be manipulated because I review drug studies all the time. Also the quality of the data may be in question.

With regards to the Excursion of which I've owned three, there are some areas where the newer SUVs have an advantage. Most have center position shoulder harnesses for the center rear seat, 3rd seat headrests and some have side curtain airbags. I don't think the 2000-2002 Expeditions had those.

It may be that some people just can't handle the larger vehicle like the Excursion. You can't drive it like a car.

 

Another point or two to consider ... The Hummer H2 isn't listed. Shoot! The H1 ain't in there either. Why?

Airline safety is measured in passenger miles. Why not this report?

 

I am more impressed that the Excursion is the only one in the VERY LARGE category. Anyway, the multiple vehicle accident is what I am concerned about since cautious, normal driving should not end up in a rollover. I know things happen, but I would rather be protected in the probable, than the possible.

 

The sad part is many insurance premiums may be adjusted based on the numbers in the subject report.

 

Well like my Pastor is so fond of saying...
"You're immortal until God is finished with you down here!"

I don't think it makes too much difference whether you are in a Volkswagon or a school bus...if it's your turn, you can be gone no matter what you're driving.

But in the Excursions defense, ya gotta love those "crumple zones"!

 

Yeh, I define the crumple zones as starting at my front bumper and going to the middle of the other car

 

Big Car More weight vs. Little car Less weight. I win

 

I agree! I want my wife and kids is the biggest STRONGEST thing I can affore to put them in. X = SAFTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to me any way. Anyone want to say it isnt safe ....stop in front of me!

 

I've seen a rolled one, held up much better than a rolled 1/2 ton yukon I've seen. As long as you keep it upright, mass usually wins. Last time I weighed mine it was 7800 pounds loaded.

 

Since I have been driving it, everyone gives me a lot of room. And nobody tails me anymore because of the diesel smell. It has the best view of traffic around me since I sit up so high. So it is extremely safe from my first hand experience if you drive it like a truck and know it's limitations. The traffic around me already know their limitations and keep away from this big bad boy!

 

With anything in life "Tonage Rules" Truck smashes car, big truck smashes small truck, Big rig smashes large truck, train smashes big rig.... The formula of tonage rules is generally a safe bet in all regards.