Mudding and engines Q's.
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Mudding and engines Q's.
When it comes to mudding, I was curious if it'd be better to just stick with a small block, so there's no so much weight digging the front end into the ground..
Also, I'm curious as to what the differences are between the 351W's, M's, and C's.
I wanna put another engine in my truck, and was thinking about keeping my 351W, and just stroking/turboing it.
Also, I'm curious as to what the differences are between the 351W's, M's, and C's.
I wanna put another engine in my truck, and was thinking about keeping my 351W, and just stroking/turboing it.
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In all honesty, there only MAYBE a 100-200 lbs difference between a 460 and a 289. After you've been in the mud, you're gonna have that much weight and MORE just in a good coating of mud, so why not just get a big block and that that much more torque pull you around?
I've been debating that same situation for my Bronco. A 427W is certainly doable, but if I can just throw a 572 in there...I just like hearing the small blocks scream...
As to your other questions, the 351M/400 are essentially identical except for bore. The 351M and 351C are part of the 335-series. The M has a 385-series bellhousing, and the C has a small block bellhousing. The 351W is 289-based and shares the same bellhousing as the 260, 289, and 302. The windsor has a lot more cheaper performance do-dads, thanks to it being based on the 302 and 289. The modified and clevelands have them too, but they're harder to find and more pricy, and it's also harder to find good engine builders who know these two engine intimately, whereas nearly any rebuilder has done a 302, so a 351W is more easily related to.
I've been debating that same situation for my Bronco. A 427W is certainly doable, but if I can just throw a 572 in there...I just like hearing the small blocks scream...
As to your other questions, the 351M/400 are essentially identical except for bore. The 351M and 351C are part of the 335-series. The M has a 385-series bellhousing, and the C has a small block bellhousing. The 351W is 289-based and shares the same bellhousing as the 260, 289, and 302. The windsor has a lot more cheaper performance do-dads, thanks to it being based on the 302 and 289. The modified and clevelands have them too, but they're harder to find and more pricy, and it's also harder to find good engine builders who know these two engine intimately, whereas nearly any rebuilder has done a 302, so a 351W is more easily related to.
Last edited by momudder720; Feb 4, 2005 at 02:27 PM.
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Nothing wrong with a 351w or a stroker varient there off. you could bolt the 351c in place but it is better suited for cars, or a all out race engine, if you even considered swapping in a 351m/400 they weigh alot more, and you would probably be better off going clear to big block since thy use teh big block bellhousing anyway.
As to you question of differences well there are plenty but the c, and m are both of the 335 series engine family, which has the canted valve heads. the windsor uses a wedge head, and has a 9.5" deck, the cleve is 9.2, and the M is 10.? and used the big block bell housing. they all have a 3.5" stroke, and a 4.00" bore
but as far as you question as to what is best that all depends on you, and what your doing with it, how big of tires your running, is it mostly a street vehicle, or a competition only vehicle ther eare alot of variable in answering that question
As to you question of differences well there are plenty but the c, and m are both of the 335 series engine family, which has the canted valve heads. the windsor uses a wedge head, and has a 9.5" deck, the cleve is 9.2, and the M is 10.? and used the big block bell housing. they all have a 3.5" stroke, and a 4.00" bore
but as far as you question as to what is best that all depends on you, and what your doing with it, how big of tires your running, is it mostly a street vehicle, or a competition only vehicle ther eare alot of variable in answering that question
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If you have the Windsor, use it. There are many performance parts available for it. A stroked Windsor is a very nice engine. Big block cubic inches in a small block. Then you would not have to worry about motor mounts or anything else. I think it would just make life easier to stick with the Windsor and make it perform.
Or, you could try turbocharging the engine, that would give it some oomph.
Or, you could try turbocharging the engine, that would give it some oomph.
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From: bangor maine
id stick with the 351W and slap a stroker kit in it and call it good. I had a I6 in my 94 ford and did the ol v8 swap and its ben a rather pain in the butt. but on the other hand i picked the 351M motor and put a stroker kit to yield a 400 they dont make many go-fast parts anymore for the 351m even though most of my motor is 351c parts 
anyways id just stick with what you got because if you change out the motor you will then have to change out tranny transfer case rear end etc etc
basicly stick with the 351w put some go fast parts on it stroke it hell turbo nos super it and go have fun
anyways id just stick with what you got because if you change out the motor you will then have to change out tranny transfer case rear end etc etcbasicly stick with the 351w put some go fast parts on it stroke it hell turbo nos super it and go have fun
