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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 06:25 AM
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Hi. I paint once in awhile with reasonable success. I only do my own and for a few of my friends. I can usually do a good job. But it is not show quality. Kind of a poor man's paint job. Recently I helped a friend of mine repair his van on the drivers side. The gas tank filler does not have a door. It is the kind with just a flush cap. We sanded the whole area and used an epoxy primer. Then I used the base coat, top coat, and urethane clear. Everything was fine except about two months later it developed a large bubble at the fill hole. It is around about a third of the hole. My friend always pumps his own gas. So can I assume this has to do with a previous gas spill? Can I sand the area and just touch it up or do I have to do something special? Should I have used different products? Thanks for any help.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by trike1946
Hi. I paint once in awhile with reasonable success. I only do my own and for a few of my friends. I can usually do a good job. But it is not show quality. Kind of a poor man's paint job. Recently I helped a friend of mine repair his van on the drivers side. The gas tank filler does not have a door. It is the kind with just a flush cap. We sanded the whole area and used an epoxy primer. Then I used the base coat, top coat, and urethane clear. Everything was fine except about two months later it developed a large bubble at the fill hole. It is around about a third of the hole. My friend always pumps his own gas. So can I assume this has to do with a previous gas spill? Can I sand the area and just touch it up or do I have to do something special? Should I have used different products? Thanks for any help.
I dont think you did anything "wrong" in your procedure. You will see this happen a lot to bikers where the gas cap does not have a raised tube to sit on to where the clearcoat will have a protected edge. When the gascap is turned, it breaks miniscule holes in the clear coat and allows the gas ( a good paint remover ) to go under the clear and break the bond of the clear coat at that point. That just my take on it.....

Try to find a way of assuring the edge of the clear coat cant be penetrated underneath by the gas, that is the only cure I know of. Urethane clearcoat does pretty good at repelling gas ( I spill it on my 03 sometimess around the filler tube, I just wipe it off with windshield cleaner quickly) It is just that when it gets under the clear that the gas makes permanent problems. good luck
 

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Can I just cut out the bubble and sand it and start over in just that area? Thanks for the reply.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 08:34 PM
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Can I just cut out the bubble and sand it and start over in just that area? Thanks for the reply.
If it is a metallic base, you cant just sand it out in the middle of the panel, the metallics will be disturbed and a "spot" reshoot wont match well. You will have to scuff the whole panel, clean well, reapply basecoat then re-clear. Some solid colored urethanes will blend well out in the middle of a panel, some colors wont match so well. . If you decide to scuff and reshoot the base, be sure to re-clear the whole panel if possible. Even the pros have problems trying to clear "blend ins" out in the middle of a panel. Most choose to clear the whole panel, rather than having a "dry" edge showing out in the middle of the panel that is thin and may not bond well. Some use " hot flowcoats" which are overly reduced clears to do blends out in the middle of a panel, letting the clear "melt in" to the old clear, but it takes a lot of practice mixing them , and to not get major runs when shooting the over reduced clear. good luck jmo
 
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