Hey Ford guy's! I'm new to the site, glad to see all the PSD fans here.I have a question for yal. Iam inthe process of purchacing a 95 F-super duty PSD, it has 159,000 miles on it & I'm buying from my work.I went to try to start it today and allit would do was smoke while I cranked on it,I did let the glow plug cycle. I have red some of the posts and while I see most of yal don't like Autolite I dont think the glow plugs have been replaced,but I did see a can of ether behind the seat, ouch!! I talked to the guy that drove the truck & he said it drove & ran fine till the clutch went out & they took it to FORD. they said the dual mass fly wheel was bad ,the tranny was bad and so on & so on ,the bill would be 5,000 to fix and so here I am asking all of the PSD guy's,is this truck worth 4,000? thanks! I know I'm asking alot. P.S not a scratch on the body and it a stake bed!

 

If all it would do was smoke it probably needs a new glow plug relay.

 

I would try a little starting fluid, only a little to see if it will start. I have a 1990 f250 diesel 248.000 miles I use eather on it also bulldozers,etc. It could also be the Inj. pump.

 

This statement will draw the ire of some members but......NEVER USE STARTING FLUID (ETHER) on a vehicle equipped with glow plugs, extremely flammable liquid and red hot glow plugs DO NOT MIX!!

Do a search on glow plug relays and you'll get more info than you can read in a week. Try plugging in the block heater for a couple of hours and see if it'll crank.

As far as glow plugs go the general consensus is to use the Beru/Motorcraft ones available at AutoZone.

Check out Steve Baz's Website for ton's of info on the 94.5-97 PSD

John

 

for the starting problem sounds like glowplugs or the relay thats not that much of a big deal motorcraft are the way to go. the glowplugs are about a 4 hours job and the relay just a few minutes and about $100 in parts seeing that can of ether back there concerns me though ether can tear up a motor bad. there is not injection pump in theese trucks just a regular fuel pump that brings fuel up from the tanks part of the injector itself is what creates the injection pressure. if its running fine once its warmed up and going i bet everything else is pretty good i would just check all the rest of the normal things. i could see it being worth that much, maybe able to talk to guy down on it cause it needs a few things too... the clutch i would put the single mass flywheel conversion from luk the clutch runs around $600 and install is about 8 hours. with that mileage i couldnt imagine the treans being shot uness it had been abused. theres a plastic linkage thats known for failing on theese trucks with the manual trans its the bushing that connects the clutch pedal to the master cylinder shaft. theres someone on ebay that sells the permanent replacement part for that they have modified a hiem joint to fit in there works great ive got one on both my trucks

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW

 

When checking the glow plug relay, with key on for the first two minutes or so you should have battery voltage to both large and one small terminal. The other small terminal should show ground. This shows the relay active.

With the key on and after the glow plug cycle has finished you should have battery voltage to one large and both small terminals. The computer activates the relay by grounding the second small terminal thus activating the relay.

It is possible to have battery voltage to both large terminals when the relay is active and still have a bad relay. If the contacts inside are pitted or corroded you may have low amp voltage passing through it but not enough power to actually run the glow plugs.


CLICK HERE to go to an excellent glow plug information and how to article by Carpentractor.

Hope these help out - Carpentractor's article helped me a lot.

As for the clutch, I second the single mass conversion. For a basically stock truck LUK seems to be the way to go. On a two wheel drive truck expect $400-700 labor, the LUK conversion is available from sponsors of this site for $600 delivered or so. I paid for a dual mass conversion when I bought my truck, two weeks BEFORE I found the internet resources for these trucks.

Dave / Believer45

 

That statement won't draw any ire from most of us. Using ether on an engine that has glow plugs can cause catastrophic damage.

I would start by taking a voltmeter and checking the relay to see if it is engaging. If it is, then check the voltage drop across it. It could be that the contactor plates inside it are pitted from arcing.

In reference to the question of whether the truck is worth $4,000, the average retail on that truck (assuming standard cab) is $5,900. for the mileage, deduct $1,625. Add $2,275 for the diesel engine. If its 4wd, add $1,350, if it has the XLT trim package add $350.

Total average retail is $8,250 for 4wd, $6,900 for 2wd. If it needs $5,000 in work, I would have to say I'd certainly pass on it for that price.

 

Thanks All Yal That Replied,it Kind Of Clears Up My Mind About Buying The Truck.i Have Seen All The Maintance Records And The Truck Has Been Serviced Every 3000 Miles. It Also Just Had All New Brakes & Rotors All The Way Around.i'll Check The Glow Plugs As Yal Said And Plug It In To See How It Runs After It Warms Up,by The Way It's A 2wd & It Is An Xl Series.i Don't Think It Will Take Much To Get It In Good Running Shape Say 1000! Thanks Again All!

 

In your first post you said it needs a clutch, flywheel and transmission. You add that with a glow plug relay and probably a glow plug or three and you are WAY over $1000. You might check the prices on parts before you buy it. It sounds to me like it is a little overpriced for what it needs.

Someone above said use a little starting fluid. DO-NOT use starting fluid on a glow-plug equipped engine. In the same post they say it might be the injection pump. PSD's don't have injection pumps.

 

Hey Yal,plugged The Block Heater At Work Today On The Superduty And Ya Know It Fired Right Up,purred Like A Kitten !! The Only Noise I Herd Was The Dual-mass Fly Wheel And I Know It's Bad. The Tranny Shifted Fine No Noises, So I Guess Its Worth The Money Don't Ya Think?couldn't Rev It Up Cause Of The Fly Wheel But It Sure Sounded Good! By The Way I Did Have It Plugged In For 5 Hours That Kind Of Lets Me Know That It's In The Glow System. Thanks! P.s. Is There Any Modification That Can Be Made To This Early Model Of P.s.d.? I Seen All Kinds Of Mods. To The Newer Models.

 

There are tons of mods you can do to a 94-97 PSD. Chips, Injectors, 10K, Intake, Exhaust, I could go on and on. How much you want to spend and how fast you want to go?? Check out http://pages.prodigy.net/stevebaz/_i...az/index3.html he has all kinds of good information on the 94-97 psd..