oh f'sho....

did i really just say that?

 

let's see...yep!

Well, it has been fun...but what's next? Headers anyone? Worth $300 or not? That is the question!!!

 

I'm going to get a pipe bender and welder and make my own headers. They are going to go all the way to the back, 1 3/8 pipes, and have 6 cherry bombs on each.

I think i've mentioned this before. It'll be wicked!!!!!

 

I'd like to get some soon. They are a mod I can actually install myself with little to no hassle! If I did that, I'd have a good power component system...even if it is just basic. MAC Intake, MAC Headers, and a 40 series FM dumped. The beginning middle and end... Of course I'd need to get some P&P'd heads too!

 

Headers.... Start a new thread

 

Sigma- So I take it you are never going to buy an aftermarket air intake for your truck(s)?? That's rediculous man, I mean (1) The stock is ugly as can be (2) EVERYONE and yes I mean EVERYONE has that setup or had it before (3) With the MAC it is proven a 12.6 HP gain!!!

I'm taking sides with Joe and Brian on this debate, Sigma- you are the lone soldier my friend!!

 

Homer4.2

As mentioned several times in the thread, I have an Airforce One intake and I like it. Would I buy another one? Probably. Would I buy it for performance? No. Would I buy it to dress up the engine bay? Yes.

As for the MAC giving a proven 12.6 HP gain – Are we reading the same thread? I may have missed it, but I only saw opinions and regurgitation of the MAC marketing statement. I did not see any indisputable facts to prove anything for or against. If you want to prove your point, I would recommend putting your truck on a dyno before and after installing the CAI. Upload the graphs so everyone can see, and if I’m wrong I’ll be the first to admit it.

 

Sigma, You have a Lightning? I am curious if the rubber grommet at the fender for the air inlet is the same little 1.5-inches as on the V6. It would seem to be somewhat of a restriction to me. I believe the dyno numbers posted were for a "Poormans" intake w/ K&N filter. One thing that I have learned from many years of messing with motors and such is that you can generally take the marketing hype and cut it in half and you may be pretty close to what it will achieve. Except for a chip or Programmer as I believe my 9100 definatily downloaded 20hp or more in my truck. I originally had the S&B drop in filter as my first mod on my 2000 F150 at 5k miles. Living in the sticks I had two moderate hills that I went over on my way to town, one kicked my truck out of overdrive every time, the other one would if I had say three people in the truck or the AC on. The first trip to town after the S&B the truck pulled overdrive up both hills in cruise. I would say that was a gain. I now have the MAC and am happy w/ it but cannot say I gained anything over the S&B drop in filter which I converted to a "Poormans" style at around 25k. I don't know who datalogged those temperatures but I have read two other posts years ago and if I remember correctly once you were at 25-30 mph the temps were the same, that is believable. I would say 6 or 7 hp is believable also, I think it like any other mod would work better the more you have in the stream, say like exhaust, throttle body, or/and headers.

 

Up through the 2002 model year the Lightning’s had the same little rubber horn sticking through the fender. The 03 & 04 Lighting’s have the same contraption, but it’s an oval shape now instead of a circle. Even though I have not measured it, I would guess the new style is a marginally larger opening. The nice thing about mods for the Lightning, is that almost everyone dynos their trucks occasionally so there are lots of hard facts available. This data for the Lightning’s suggests the stock intake/filter unit offers sufficient airflow for up to somewhere around 400 rwhp. After 400 HP the stock panel paper filter starts to limit airflow and dropping in a K&N replacement solves the problem until you’re in the mid 400’s then the intake itself becomes a problem and must be replaced.

Yes, chips or tuners are a proven winner delivering measurable HP gains. Look at True4.2’s real life drag strip results. The Diablo chip promises 19HP. 19HP should drop your quarter mile ET by 0.52 second. True noted a 0.5-drop after he installed the chip, so he received almost exactly the advertised HP increase.

For the most part “marketing hype” is always smoke and mirrors. I remember seeing an add the other day for one of those Tornado type devices that claimed a 33% HP gain. What BS, does anyone really think that I could gain 160 HP by putting one of those gadgets on my Lighting. Ha! Or even worse, how about those magnets they sell to stick on your gas line? Neither Hydrogen nor carbon is particularly magnetic, but people buy them everyday expecting improvements in their gas mileage.

 

bratman2, Talley's results were in fact for the MAC Intake. He himself claimed that the poor man's intake might give you 1 to 2 hp's at the most. Not trying to bust on you or anything, I just kinda remember it like it was yesterday.

 

True4.2, I stand corrected now that you mention it I do believe that was the gain from going from the Poorboy to the MAC. Just understand that I am 44 and if I was a truck I would be a hard run highmileage model with little resale! Oh and sometimes can't remember crap also.

 

LoL, I understand

 

Sigma-What is it with you and "proven facts" and "evidence"...I'm gettin' kinda tired of it lol

 

As mentioned above, I find that just intakes, headers, or exhuasts don't increase hp that much by themselves but once you put them togther, espesially with a chip, you start seeing gains. The mac sure does look cleaner under the hood though, adn does provide a small boost. THe stock intake may flow enough for 200 horsepower, but how else are you going to add horsepower, without internal work or a supercharger

 

As Mark Twain once said: “Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.”

I've often noted that regardless of subject matter, those with the strongest opinions often have the fewest facts.