More on "Black Boxes"
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RedRanger; I think most here have got onto the new generation boxes that record your vehicle at all times and can be used for the GPS option to have a service unlock your truck when you supply a pin number etc. or tell you how to find your way if you get lost etc. These do constitute Big Brother and can be used against you in court or as a defence as well now .
The law enforcement agencies are now touting for a device built in that would allow them to shut your vehicle down electronically instead of chasing you if you ran . This one would not bother me but there will never be a full data response system in any of mine nor will there ever be a microchip in my forehead .
The law enforcement agencies are now touting for a device built in that would allow them to shut your vehicle down electronically instead of chasing you if you ran . This one would not bother me but there will never be a full data response system in any of mine nor will there ever be a microchip in my forehead .
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Jerry Gougeon, I own two new vehicles, one is a GM with Onstar. Onstar has the capability to track and unlock doors etc, has nothing to do with the 'black box' installed by the car manufacturer. That 'box' only records a five second loop, period.
Auto Techs can hook up a 'box' with customers consent, to record vehicle's sensors while driving, say for a week, to help diagnose intermittent problems.
So relax, don't worry, the Government is not out to get you.
Drive responsibly and obey the laws and you'll have nothing to worry about.
Auto Techs can hook up a 'box' with customers consent, to record vehicle's sensors while driving, say for a week, to help diagnose intermittent problems.
So relax, don't worry, the Government is not out to get you.
Drive responsibly and obey the laws and you'll have nothing to worry about.
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Originally Posted by DRP
If it ever comes time that the government is tracking my speed, the first thing I'm going to do is rip that danm thing out of my truck and throw it on the steps of our court house. . I'm going on 17 years old here soon, and with my parents on my back watching everything I do to protect me is enough I will settle for.
And I'm sure, as a 16 going on 17 year old, you are an expert driver that never speeds or breaks any Motor Laws.....NOT!
Your parents can purchase a 'box' be installed on your truck to monitor your driving 24/7.
Judging by your flippant additude, it would be a good idea for your safety,and more importantly, the safety of other innocent drivers!
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From: Central VA
Originally Posted by Redranger03
Jerry Gougeon, I own two new vehicles, one is a GM with Onstar. Onstar has the capability to track and unlock doors etc, has nothing to do with the 'black box' installed by the car manufacturer. That 'box' only records a five second loop, period.
Drive responsibly and obey the laws and you'll have nothing to worry about.
Drive responsibly and obey the laws and you'll have nothing to worry about.
I drive responsibly and obey the laws, but I can't say I've never gone a few miles over the speed limit or drifted through a stop sign. I love computers and technology, but I do not want to be in a society where your every action is monitored and judged by machines.
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This is worse than terrorism. Any time they want to sacrifice your rights on the altar of "Safety" be afraid. Be very afraid.Big Brother IS watching. The fact that it isn't YET capable of recording more data is to lull us into a sense of security with it. Then they can record everything when we are ok with it. Who's to say that you couldn't be jammed up because you have a "history" of disregarding the speed limit and going 70 in a 55MPH zone. Then one day you hit some bozo who pulls out in front of you while going 30 in a 25, and then they bring into question your "history" of disregard for traffic laws? Or, howabout this? You get pulled over for speeding and the Cop pulls out a laptop with an RS-232 cable with an OBDii adapter, and plugs it into your car, and writes you 10 more citations for various times you traveled over the limit, or without your seatbelt, or whatever. Just another way for revenue and power hungry juristictions to stick it to average folks. Makes you wonder...
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Redranger03: I drive a restored '78 F150 4X4 that I purchased new and will probably keep driving till I'm gone or no longer driving. Our highway vehicle is a 1984 Chrysler Fifth Ave LE with 68,000 on it that was the wifes before she lost the ability to drive due to the effects of MS .
Neither has any electronic gear or polution control but ignition moduals and a cat convertor on the Chryco. and one gets 17 MPG and the other runs around 28 if driven at 60 to 65 mph.
The Gov. and the auto makers can build in a blender and a hot coffee dispenser if on every vehicle produced if they wish and I doubt it will ever effect us as vehicles for me are transportation and we already have the dependability and practicality we require for this purpose .
As far as the "O" zone damage I am frowned on for doing with these big vehicles , every time I see a 767 jet liner taking off and creating more pollution flying half way across America than I will create in a whole life time,I take stock of the fact that I am contributing little when compared .
The millions upon millions of people who commute to work in major cities alone in their cars instead of using the transit systems also reinforce my resolve to my life style .
Neither has any electronic gear or polution control but ignition moduals and a cat convertor on the Chryco. and one gets 17 MPG and the other runs around 28 if driven at 60 to 65 mph.
The Gov. and the auto makers can build in a blender and a hot coffee dispenser if on every vehicle produced if they wish and I doubt it will ever effect us as vehicles for me are transportation and we already have the dependability and practicality we require for this purpose .
As far as the "O" zone damage I am frowned on for doing with these big vehicles , every time I see a 767 jet liner taking off and creating more pollution flying half way across America than I will create in a whole life time,I take stock of the fact that I am contributing little when compared .
The millions upon millions of people who commute to work in major cities alone in their cars instead of using the transit systems also reinforce my resolve to my life style .
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From: North Carolina
Originally Posted by DRP
If it ever comes time that the government is tracking my speed, the first thing I'm going to do is rip that danm thing out of my truck and throw it on the steps of our court house. I didn't ask for someone to be watching my every tap of the gas pedal, or every little turn of my steering wheel. My privacy is that, MINE, not yours, and definantly not the government's. I don't want someone else just waiting for me to go 45.001 in a 45mph zone and tag me with a rediculous ticket. I'll just settle for my privacy and if worst comes to worst, I'll just take a ticket for no 'spy-box' in my truck. I'm going on 17 years old here soon, and with my parents on my back watching everything I do to protect me is enough I will settle for.
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From: Northwest Indiana
Originally Posted by Jerry Gougeon
The law enforcement agencies are now touting for a device built in that would allow them to shut your vehicle down electronically instead of chasing you if you ran .
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Xlt4me: Plus the history that all these electronic doo das have for failing a couple of weeks after the warranty expires, I'll pass as well .
With my luck I'd be 60 mi. in some forest road hunting when it decided to croak.
I'm sold on still coming home with a spare set of belts a spare ignition module and a tire puncture repair kit that includes a hose to thread into a spark plug hole to fill her up . A roll of duct tape and bailing wire would top off the safety supplies here I guess .
With my luck I'd be 60 mi. in some forest road hunting when it decided to croak.
I'm sold on still coming home with a spare set of belts a spare ignition module and a tire puncture repair kit that includes a hose to thread into a spark plug hole to fill her up . A roll of duct tape and bailing wire would top off the safety supplies here I guess .
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