For the past two and a half weeks the FTE members in Virginia have been attempting to form a chapter. The request was first submitted on 1 November 2004 by Rory Goggin properly using this page to submit the request with FTE management. At this time we probably had around 8 - 10 people who were enthused about joining. We waited patiently finding out that Ken (webmaster) had been out at SEMA and was not here for us to contact. Once Ken came back from SEMA we figured that it would only be a matter of a couple days or so and we'd have our chapter all set up for us. At that time the following Private Message was sent to Ken by Rory to see what was going on.

The only response we received back was the following.

Rory responded with the following.

So after patiently waiting Rory called me to tell me that he had heard nothing and asked for me to give it a shot. I resubmitted the paperwork, this time with 42 members who wanted to start a Virginia Chapter. After waiting a little while hoping we'd see something I began to notice that other Virginia members were getting very upset with the time delays and had begun to discuss forming a group outside of FTE. Rory and I were also becoming very frustrated due to the fact that we were ready to go, both are willing to become chapter leader but we surf around to other chapters who have their boards with no activity and no leaders.

So I sent Ken the following message:

We just want to know whats going on. If nothing is going to be set up for us then please just tell us to bug off and we'll go somewhere else but we'd defenitly prefer to stay.

Here is the list of Virginia members as I have them put together so far:

<table x:str="" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 113pt;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="151"> <col style="width: 113pt;" width="151"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; width: 113pt;" height="17" width="151">Tomcat7742</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">65vamonster</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl26" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">81f150on40s</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rory Goggin</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Franken-Truck</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Jmarkle</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">GLR</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">bob hare</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">88'f150_300</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Violjohn78</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">wdsmithjr</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">rdnkmuddinfordx4</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl25" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">MonsterbroncoKid</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">yomow</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">bigbronco88</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">pgayda</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Rexman</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">stutterstan</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">RapidRuss</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">smitty240</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">*******o</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">stu37d</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">manta</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">G2IC_Wraith</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Carnivore</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">BikePilot</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Fat&Bald</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Tuvanhillbilly</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">mulelady</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">PyroBandito</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">FordLariat</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Proteus566</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">92Flare150</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">RynL88</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">GregTruck</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">countrysF250
jennymnky
</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">gpeade</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">1991_DkBL_FordRanger</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">Kista20</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">olgreymare86</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17">gregarobinson</td> </tr></tbody> </table>

 

i as well as the other VA Chapter members are begining to feel very unrecognized as well as neglected by the webmaster and being that he is representing FTE in this matter we feel neglected by FTE as well. this isnt a good sign and im sure some people are thinkin "skrew you guys, go somewhere else" and as of now there is speculation of just that happining. now this isnt a threat because that would accomplish nothing, but i do think the FTE webmaster needs to get off his @$$ and get the ball rolling here. We've done our part and plan to continue doing so, but the ball is in your court now and we cant make the shot unless you pass it. so be a team player here and help.

Agrivated FTE member
Garrett

 

I see one the problems.
The letters were to Ken, not to me

Ken, The Webmaster is NOT to be bothered with stuff like this.
Telling him to *get off his **** is hardly a mature comment.

FYI, He gets between 2000-6000 e-mail a day.

One question :
How many of these user's that have been listed, meet the "create the chapter pre-requistes "?


Chapter Overview And Rules


In order to start a Chapter you must have minimum of 5 FTE members willing to join. Each member must be an active FTE user for at least 30 days. The member organizing the Chapter must be an FTE user for at least 60 days.

I have been waiting for this count as I have created a chapter in error that didn't meet the requirements at that time.

 

I'll go through the list and find out how long people have been members for you. Mathematically it's more then assured that we have enough people to meet the requirments, but I'll find out for you.

- Chris

 

Got it covered, Chris.

The original application was submitted via the web form provided. I'll quote from it.

1. My FTE user id: Rory Goggin<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

<o> </o>

2. The user ids of Franken-Truck<o></o>

at least 5 FTE users interested in joining the Chapter: Franken-Truck, 65vamonster, wdsmithjr, bob hare & Tomcat7742 all in the Tidewater Virginia area, where the Ford plant is! There are others interested also.<o></o>

<o> </o>

3. Name of Chapter: Virginia Chapter

Nothing in the form state to whom that form was being sent. I'd already sent a PM to YOU, Million when the thread had first started, to see if you could give us some kind of direction. Since I'd gotten no response, I started helping the formation of the chapter along and ended up submitting the form requesting a chapter formation myself. A week later, I PMed Webmaster as Chris (Tomcat7742) stated above. He quotes the subseqent develpements as they happened. Ken never said "talk to Million" - he just asked if I was the Chapter leader.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mil1ion

Ken, The Webmaster is NOT to be bothered with stuff like this.

NOWHERE is there any statement that the Webmaster is NOT to be "bothered" with "stuff like this" - and quite frankly, I think that is NOT the kind of attitude I'd expect from this Club - nor would I expect any businessman to express that to a "customer" - not if he expects to stay in business. What I WOULD expect would be a statement to the effect that "Well, we seem to have had some miscommunications here because I've been assigned to handle those areas of responsibility and Ken probably thought that I was handling it." Ken is NOT my boss. Don' t tell me "Don't bother him with your petty problems." (which is what I hear when you say what you said) That does NOT cause me to feel "nice" at all. And I come here to feel "nice".

(to be continued)

 

No, you haven't. If you'd asked I'd have responded right away. I, as chapter organizer had been an active FTE User for at least 60 days. EACH of the members I'd listed on the application had been active for at least 30 days. As of today, the subcribed membership stands thusly: ALL of the following 41 members have been FTE members for over 30 days:


# Forum ID: # of Days Membership

1 Tomcat7742 102

2 65vamonster 255

3 81f150on40s 186

4 Rory Goggin 266

5 Franken-Truck 211

6 Jmarkle 67

7 GLR 423

8 bob hare 99

9 88'f150_300 127

10 Violjohn78 802

11 wdsmithjr 415

12 rdnkmuddinfordx4 157

13 MonsterbroncoKid 91

14 yomow 321

15 bigbronco88 144

16 pgayda 1,299

17 Rexman 853

18 stutterstan 58

19 RapidRuss 649

20 smitty240 198

21 *******o 932

22 stu37d 385

23 manta 1,375

24 G2IC_Wraith 334

25 Carnivore 338

26 BikePilot 43

27 Fat&Bald 280

28 Tuvanhillbilly 813

29 mulelady 128

30 PyroBandito 118

31 FordLariat 282

32 Proteus566 569

33 92Flare150 810

34 RynL88 344

35 GregTruck 30

36 countrysF250 246

37 gpeade 93

38 1991_DkBL_FordRanger 117

39 Kista20 565

40 olgreymare86 49

41 gregarobinson 100

 

Not bothering Ken means he doesn't have time to look after chapter's or other things Himself.

He was working 20 hrs/day.

That's too much

With 3 other Adminstrators on FTE to look after things that Ken used to do, getting ahold of Ken is unnecessary.



Like I stated in my last reply, I will take the heat for this,so further remarks about Ken will be un-warranted. I'm sorry that you feel the eway you do about Ken.

Explanation:
The creation of chapter's process had slowed down considerably because I was over-zealous when I created 2 chapter's lately.

Also, We had to refrain from changing things (adding or removing things) in the "FTE Data Base because of the server update issue which lasted longer than expected.


Now Virginia will receive my Attention


I won't comment on this topic any more.

 

Alright, I'm sorry but I am no longer interested in hearing about how busy Ken is and how he is not to be contacted over Chapter matters. If that is the case, why don't the three of you get together and add to the Chapters page, "Any questions and/or comments should be sent directly to Mil1ion." That would fix the entire problem of people contacting Ken instead of you when they try to form a chapter or have a chapter question.

If you were not able to add us a forum due to server upgrades or the like, why didn't you just stop by the Mid~Atlantic forum and say something. Would have helped a lot to hear, "hey guys, we're going to get you started but due to current server upgrades it's not possible at this time."

What are you going to take the heat over? As far as we can see there is not any heat to take, just help us get our stuff set up so we can move on with our chapter meetings. If Ken is upset that we added a couple PM's to his box then I'll give you my cell phone number, him and I can sit and talk about it. Heck if it was that big of a deal he should have said "hey guys, contact Mil1ion he can help you out" instead of saying "are you the chapter leader?"

Lastly, saying that you will no longer post anything on this topic is very common. I could see if you were my boss but last I checked this wasn't Home Depot and I know at my job we don't talk to eachother like that. You guys should always be open to more comments and suggestions, it's how you fix things.

By the way, what's the current time frame on us getting a board? It'd be a big help getting one so that we could get our effort centralized onto one board.

- Chris

 

I understand that the world revolves around each person and their requests but please understand that I have hundreds of other requests, emails and PMs each day wanting the world to revolve around and prioritize their request. There is only so much I can handle in a work day (yesterday it was from 8:30 am to 2am the following morning). It will get done in the order I have of things in my to-do list, which includes 2 other chapters before the Virginia Chapter.

Patience is a virtue so few practice these days.....

 

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk to you guys but I resent that remark about the world revolving around us. You guys act like we just put in a request yesterday for this. According to the information that we have gathered there are four of you running this website. In two and a half weeks you guys can't send us a message saying, hey guys we're busy we'll get you set up as soon as we can. No you don't you just stay quiet and don't say anything.

I have a background in website development, so do some of the other guys and we all know that it doesn't take that long to set up a forum. No less 2 1/2 weeks, especially with four people.

When you ignore people for a couple weeks they get upset...

- Chris

 

What he said ^^^^^^

 

Folks, this can be handled in a more positive and non-accusatory manner than it has been. There's a big difference between squeaky wheels and thorns, assets and liabilities.

 

i just want to annonuce, im very dissapointed with FTE!

 

I would like to thank users such as yourself for your hospitality, the warm reception you've given me and the fine way you've represented your state and its slogan.

 

This was posted by:

RynL88
Junior User Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 74 Signature


In support of Ken Payne and FTE as a whole I would like to make it a point to say how sad it is that this has become such a well... disaster. It is not our god-given right to have our own chapter forum on FTE as Virginians. Yes it is a great idea and I do believe much benefit can come from it. Why is it that some us are so impatient I'm not sure what it takes to generate a chapter here, but I am sure that is more than just a few mouseclicks. If one were to go back and read this thread as a whole it becomes obvious that some of us have become quite ungrateful and put a bad taste in the mouths of our leaders. i.e. the ones who provide this site and ALLOW us to be part of it. Some would like to blame it on the young guns however being a 21 year old college student, I disagree. Good things come to those who wait! Why not just be patient and let our administators work on our problems and requests IN TURN with all the other hundreds of things they have to do each day. We haven't had a Virginia chapter since this site was created, and are able to be part of another (mid-atlantic) if we so desire. I don't see why waiting a few months or so is such a big deal. I know everyone becomes impatient at one time or another, but its how we deal with that impatience that shows.
Lets do a better job.
Please think twice about posting rude and deragatory comments. It not only makes you look bad but those who'm you are representing (in this case Virginians) as well