Lug Nut Woes
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Lug Nut Woes
Got some new wheels, American Racing Pythons, 16" for my 2002 F150 Lariat. Included was a new set of chrome cone seat lug nuts and 4 locking lugs from American Racing. They claim they were made by some Coyote company.
Anyway, the lug nuts were 1.37" deep and with the studs sticking out 1.29", it was close but they seated and torqued ok to 90 ft. lbs. The locking lug nuts did not work. They were 1.06" deep and with 1.29" studs, bottomed out before touching the wheel. So, NTB gave me another set, these are the ones McGard suggests for a 2002 F150. They are 2" deep and over 3" LONG. They stick out from the wheel so far that it would be an easy task with a pair of vise grips to remove them. Which cancels out their intended purpose. I don't get it. Any ideas other than going back to stock wheels?
Anyway, the lug nuts were 1.37" deep and with the studs sticking out 1.29", it was close but they seated and torqued ok to 90 ft. lbs. The locking lug nuts did not work. They were 1.06" deep and with 1.29" studs, bottomed out before touching the wheel. So, NTB gave me another set, these are the ones McGard suggests for a 2002 F150. They are 2" deep and over 3" LONG. They stick out from the wheel so far that it would be an easy task with a pair of vise grips to remove them. Which cancels out their intended purpose. I don't get it. Any ideas other than going back to stock wheels?
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I gave up trying to find locking wheel lugs that were 1.4 to 1.5" deep. The two that I had were 1.1" and 2 " deep. The 2" deep ones were over 3" long overall making them worthless for security purposes (with these particular wheels anyway). Since the wheel studs were long, I figured I could saw off enough to get clearance for the 1.1" locks and still have plenty of threads mating in the lock. So on each wheel, one stud is .3" shorter than the rest. I put a dab of paint on the stud faces to identify those that the locking nut will be placed on. Probelm solved.
By the way, I did a search on lug nuts here and got a lot of valuable information. This is a great website and thanks to the folks that run it.
Regarding the hub-centric and lug-centric wheel issue: I was curious about my American Racing Pythons, so I pulled the center caps off and put the wheel on. These wheels are really hub-centric, yet have a cone seat on the lugs. The wheel fits on a round hub in the middle both on the front and back wheels.So all of the wheel is resting on these hubs, not just the studs. So it appears to be the best of both worlds. There was some lube from the factory on the studs already so I torqued the nuts in a star pattern at 85 ft. /lbs. which is the low end of the torque spec.
Good luck y'all!
By the way, I did a search on lug nuts here and got a lot of valuable information. This is a great website and thanks to the folks that run it.
Regarding the hub-centric and lug-centric wheel issue: I was curious about my American Racing Pythons, so I pulled the center caps off and put the wheel on. These wheels are really hub-centric, yet have a cone seat on the lugs. The wheel fits on a round hub in the middle both on the front and back wheels.So all of the wheel is resting on these hubs, not just the studs. So it appears to be the best of both worlds. There was some lube from the factory on the studs already so I torqued the nuts in a star pattern at 85 ft. /lbs. which is the low end of the torque spec.
Good luck y'all!
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Thanks for the info 
I'm sure it will come in handy sometime for someone.
Now all that's left for you to do is set up a gallery in your User CP at the top of the page so we can all see what it looks like with your new wheels
I'm sure it will come in handy sometime for someone.
Now all that's left for you to do is set up a gallery in your User CP at the top of the page so we can all see what it looks like with your new wheels
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Racerguy, I created a gallery as you suggested. Surprisingly easy to do. Anyway, hopefully the pics may be of interest to anyone considering an upgrade of their wheels. Here is one of the pics:
Thanks, Bob
Thanks, Bob
