Dodge Sprinter vs Econoline
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Dodge Sprinter vs Econoline
DCX is replacing the Ram van and wagon with a Mercedes-built model called the Sprinter. FedEx is the biggest fleet operator so far. Ford and GM had better get on the ball and sell smaller turbodiesels here. 30mpg real world from a full-sized van with an 8550 GVWR.
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Originally Posted by jimandmandy
DCX is replacing the Ram van and wagon with a Mercedes-built model called the Sprinter. FedEx is the biggest fleet operator so far. Ford and GM had better get on the ball and sell smaller turbodiesels here. 30mpg real world from a full-sized van with an 8550 GVWR....
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I do not tow and, while rated for 5000 lb, it is not marketed for towing. It feels much stronger than my 185hp, 12mpg gas 302. This is a valid comparison because the unladen (curb) weight of the Sprinter and my F-150 are almost identical.
I agree with you. What I really want is a 200hp/350ft-lb diesel. My question is, when will Ford make one?
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I agree with you. What I really want is a 200hp/350ft-lb diesel. My question is, when will Ford make one?
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The sprinter van is a fairly large vehicle. The ones I have seen are being used for delivery or service vehicles. Wow, I am suprised that they get that kind of mileage. They would probably make a good weekender......if you have half a weekend to get there.
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Just wondering do you guys get the Ford Transit over in the States?
they have a similar sized diesel in it, and while I haven't driven one fully loaded, it was quite impressive empty.
And BTW I assume most of these kind of vehicles are used by fleet operators (they are here in Oz). What fleet manager is going to care if the van is a little gutless, if it has half the running costs, and a vehicle that is going to last longer?
Imagine the savings they make. Here diesel vans are about 90% of the van market, and those that are petrol, are converted to run on LPG (costs about a 1/3 of the price of petrol here).
The sprinters have quite a good reputation in Oz.
they have a similar sized diesel in it, and while I haven't driven one fully loaded, it was quite impressive empty.
And BTW I assume most of these kind of vehicles are used by fleet operators (they are here in Oz). What fleet manager is going to care if the van is a little gutless, if it has half the running costs, and a vehicle that is going to last longer?
Imagine the savings they make. Here diesel vans are about 90% of the van market, and those that are petrol, are converted to run on LPG (costs about a 1/3 of the price of petrol here).
The sprinters have quite a good reputation in Oz.
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The Sprinters are definitely being marketed to the fleet ops. As a matter of fact, one of the options I ran across was a 74mph speed limiter, ostensibly for fleet ops who don't want their drivers screwing around. Although, with that tiny engine, I would bet that only drops the top speed 2mph or so...
I've driven an E150 with the 4.2L V6, which I think was rated at about 180-190hp, and that thing was a DOG. I've never white-knuckled it for so long on such a flat freeway...
No Ford Transit in this corner of the world. The U.S. market is still stuck on ever greater HP and torque numbers, not what we sensibly need, so that's what the manufacturers are making. I'm beginning to think that gas will have to hit $5/gallon before we wake up and start driving point-A to point-B vehicles instead of tanks that can go as fast as most race cars. (I would still need a truck, of course, because I'm in construction...)
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I've driven an E150 with the 4.2L V6, which I think was rated at about 180-190hp, and that thing was a DOG. I've never white-knuckled it for so long on such a flat freeway...
No Ford Transit in this corner of the world. The U.S. market is still stuck on ever greater HP and torque numbers, not what we sensibly need, so that's what the manufacturers are making. I'm beginning to think that gas will have to hit $5/gallon before we wake up and start driving point-A to point-B vehicles instead of tanks that can go as fast as most race cars. (I would still need a truck, of course, because I'm in construction...)
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Originally Posted by jroehl
I've driven an E150 with the 4.2L V6, which I think was rated at about 180-190hp, and that thing was a DOG. I've never white-knuckled it for so long on such a flat freeway...
You make some good points about diesel vehicles in the US (seems to be a common issue on here), but if you guys keep buying gas, it will keep my diesel prices down
(the old demand vs. supply thing)
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is this similiar to the ford cube truck that has the baby stroker in it? any links to this lil van/truck thing? and how bout the some from down under? this is interesting stuff...
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Heres is a link...
http://www.ford.com.au/showroom/ligh...asp?position=0
It has (an option) a Turbo diesel with 135hp and about 280lb/ft of torque, and is pretty impressive. This engine is a larger capacity version of the one shown in the Bronco concept.
http://www.ford.com.au/showroom/ligh...asp?position=0
It has (an option) a Turbo diesel with 135hp and about 280lb/ft of torque, and is pretty impressive. This engine is a larger capacity version of the one shown in the Bronco concept.
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The Mercedes Sprinter is well known in Europe. The diesel is torquey enough for most conditions. Why should a Fedex van be a sports car? Besides, the Mercedes Sprinter does 156 km/h, my dad`s Ford Econoline 5.4 V8 is limited at 160 km/h.
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I took a peak at the sprinter while I was test driving the new 600. It was a 5 cylinder mercedes diesel. Is there a 5 or 4 cylinder model? I just figured all were 5 cylinders.
You realise they used a little 4 banger in box delivery vans for years. We the people are a little hp crazy. 200 will move the loads we intend to move.
You realise they used a little 4 banger in box delivery vans for years. We the people are a little hp crazy. 200 will move the loads we intend to move.
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Originally Posted by Logical Heritic
I took a peak at the sprinter while I was test driving the new 600. It was a 5 cylinder mercedes diesel. Is there a 5 or 4 cylinder model? I just figured all were 5 cylinders.
You realise they used a little 4 banger in box delivery vans for years. We the people are a little hp crazy. 200 will move the loads we intend to move.
You realise they used a little 4 banger in box delivery vans for years. We the people are a little hp crazy. 200 will move the loads we intend to move.
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You guys who are impressed by peak hp numbers in gas engines have never driven a modern turbodiesel. It is torque you feel in a heavy vehicle, not hp. I have rented Isuzu diesel trucks and was amazed at what a four cylinder can do. And these were older generation diesels, not the latest computerized common-rail types.
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Originally Posted by jimandmandy
I agree with you. What I really want is a 200hp/350ft-lb diesel. My question is, when will Ford make one?
Jim
Jim
when low sulfur diesel comes to the U.S.
