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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 09:59 PM
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My son's 2003 Escape, V-6, autotrans, 4-wheel drive fails to start on rare and unpredictable occasion. The dealer gave him the stupid answer that the "computer was just adjusting itself to his driving habits." Yeah, right, and he has had the vehicle for almost a year. The problem has caused him to be reluctant to allow his wife to drive by herself. The diagnostic shows nothing because it never has failed in the shop. It generally happens after the vehicle has been run for awhile and then attempted restart after a period of 30 minutes cooling or so. If he waits for about one hour, the problem disappears. Has anyone heard of this problem?
 
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 10:55 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if the fuel pump was on it's way out. Those are pretty classic symptoms.
Unless the dealer can catch it when it wont start it will be hard to verify though. They may just have to try a new pump and see what happens.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 11:14 PM
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Thanks for prompt response. I will pass it on.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2004 | 11:22 PM
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Please let us know how it goes.
 
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Old Jul 7, 2004 | 07:10 AM
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The fuel pump would be the only thing that would be audible at ignition engage, wouldn't it? That would seem to be a good verification if there were no other start-up sounds.
 
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Old Jul 7, 2004 | 08:12 AM
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Yes that should be the only thing you can hear. You may have to put your ear right by the gas tank to hear it though.
 
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Old Jul 7, 2004 | 09:38 AM
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If you can hear the fuel pump whirring briefly when the ignition is first turned on and the engine won't fire, try cracking the throttle slightly while cranking. If it starts okay then, the IAC (idle air control) may be dirty and sticking.

If the fuel pump doesn't whir, check the fuel pump relay under the hood.
 
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Old Jul 7, 2004 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ove1
If the fuel pump doesn't whir, check the fuel pump relay under the hood.
That was going to be my first suggestion to him.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2004 | 05:05 PM
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I'll second the comment about the IAC. They tend to stick and cause problems on the Escapes.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2004 | 01:46 AM
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bananaboat please email me so I can email you back, or turn on your email in the "User CP".
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Old Jul 11, 2004 | 04:50 PM
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IAC was replaced as requested. I hate it when you fear going out anywhere at night because the car may not start. After mulling it over, I see only the other two options as the problem, and neither fits the pattern. Relay usually does not fail on occasion and then work for awhile. Although the fuel pump may fail in degrees, it normally goes much faster once it starts the slide and does not recover for awhile. Here's hoping.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2004 | 06:36 PM
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Although the fuel pump may fail in degrees, it normally goes much faster once it starts the slide and does not recover for awhile. Here's hoping.
Have you checked the fuel pump pressure? Your "odometer" can display several things, one being the pressure.

Hold your odometer reset button then turn on the ignition (don't start it), release/push the odometer button and each time you'll get a "test". I believe the pressure shows as FP xx.x where xx.x should be somewhere between 23.5 and 24. Sorry, I don't have my exact notes in front of me. I'll post back if I'm incorrect on the reading.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 08:55 PM
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Correction, the test showed FP 253 on mine today.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2004 | 09:05 AM
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Question ... is the truck starting for just a second and then stalling (like in the old days when the carb would have enough gas for it to start, but not to run)? It acts just like a bad fuel pump. My problem was the IAC motor (which is basically your choke and idle mechanism). Relacing this ($250), along with reporgramming the PCM solved that problem. Good luck.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2004 | 11:59 AM
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Does anyone have a list of, or link to the set of odometer tests that are available? (2003 Escape)

TIA...
 
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