Headers no longer available
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Headers no longer available
I tried to get a set of L&L smog-legal headers for my 1986 F350 today from Broncograveyard.
They called me back a little later with the news that L&L no longer makes headers for my truck (DANA60 straight front axle, 4x4, 460).
I'm going to the muffler shop tomorrow to see if they have an alternative...
Ben
They called me back a little later with the news that L&L no longer makes headers for my truck (DANA60 straight front axle, 4x4, 460).
I'm going to the muffler shop tomorrow to see if they have an alternative...
Ben
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My F350 does not have catalytic converters (non-catalyst label). I'm wondering it that means that I don't need smog legal headers... hmmm...
But that may be wistful thinking.
The shop is closed today. I'll see if they're open tomorrow.
Ben
But that may be wistful thinking.
The shop is closed today. I'll see if they're open tomorrow.
Ben
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Originally Posted by hokeypokey31
I don't think it's wistful thinking. If your label clearly reads non-catalyst you don't need to install cats on your truck.
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Ben,
My `85 460 in a F350 does not have cats but it did have air injection pumps. To retain the pumps the headers will need to have the boss on each header tube for the air tube to be installed. If you don’t need the air pumps for emissions testing, then it is easy to remove them and use headers that don’t have the boss for the air tubes. If you check with L&L directly I bet they will tell you the “smog-legal” headers had the boss and did not have anything to do with cats.
Good luck,
Mark
My `85 460 in a F350 does not have cats but it did have air injection pumps. To retain the pumps the headers will need to have the boss on each header tube for the air tube to be installed. If you don’t need the air pumps for emissions testing, then it is easy to remove them and use headers that don’t have the boss for the air tubes. If you check with L&L directly I bet they will tell you the “smog-legal” headers had the boss and did not have anything to do with cats.
Good luck,
Mark
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Shops are restricted in what they can do. They can be fined if they told you something different. They must take the position that if the truck had emission equipment then they have to advise you only about retaining all of it.
I will still bet that the only issue is the air tubes. If the tubes aren’t there for the shop to be obligated to re-attach, then they would not have an issue on putting non-emission headers on it for you.
Your decision,
Mark
I will still bet that the only issue is the air tubes. If the tubes aren’t there for the shop to be obligated to re-attach, then they would not have an issue on putting non-emission headers on it for you.
Your decision,
Mark
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There're no air tubes on my truck. It's an 86 model made at the end of 85. There is an air pump that feeds the EGR mechanism though.
The muffler shop recommended Doug Thorley. I just emailed them to ask if there's a smog legal set for my truck.
Ben
The muffler shop recommended Doug Thorley. I just emailed them to ask if there's a smog legal set for my truck.
Ben
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Randy responded with the THY-216Y1 part number. According to him, this part is smog legal for my truck. Yippee!
There's an option for air tubes too.
There's a ceramic coated option, but it's not available from Summit. I'll probably just order the chrome ones.
Ben
There's an option for air tubes too.
There's a ceramic coated option, but it's not available from Summit. I'll probably just order the chrome ones.
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Call Summit, I am sure that they can get you the ceramic headers if you request them. They don't like to lose business because they don't have it listed. I have called them about things that I have not seen listed, and they have always come through.
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Well, I just got the Doug Thorley headers today.
The interesting thing is that they are "smog legal" but do not come with a CARB EO number.
The manual states that the headers are "considered a legal replacement part on vehicles that do not have a catalytic converter, as long as the original emissions control devices are connected and functioning properly. As a result, this part number does not require an Executive Order ("E.O.") number."
I wonder if this also applies to other brands of headers. Hedman headers for the 460 are less than $150. Are they also considered smog-legal for vehicles without cats (like my '86 F350)?
Ben
The interesting thing is that they are "smog legal" but do not come with a CARB EO number.
The manual states that the headers are "considered a legal replacement part on vehicles that do not have a catalytic converter, as long as the original emissions control devices are connected and functioning properly. As a result, this part number does not require an Executive Order ("E.O.") number."
I wonder if this also applies to other brands of headers. Hedman headers for the 460 are less than $150. Are they also considered smog-legal for vehicles without cats (like my '86 F350)?
Ben