Need some help guys. As i posted there a week or two ago, i won my dsb case against ford on my 03' lemon. I got my paper work the other day and the more and more i look at it i am not for sure if it is a good deal for me or if ford is trying to pull a fast one, and get out of this easy. here is what they are offering.

-1st off no mileage charge. I first had right @ 3000 mile on first trip to dealer with probs.

-a REPLACEMENT, i would have to pay the difference in MSRP ( which i don't fill is right seeing how i didn't create the problems with my truck, why should i have to pay the difference.), pay sales tax on the vehicle upgrade amount, pay transfer fees, license fee, and stae mandated fees. not able to recieve any rebates, or special promotion incnetives. I really don't want a replacement, because i would rather wait and get an 05', and ford won't let me order a truck. I have to take one that is on dealers lot.

-REFUND, the would refund my payments made to the bank, they would payoff what owed on the truck, the said they would review my accesories reciepts on my truck, and may reimburse me for them, MAY ( which is an ARE lid= $800, factory ford mud flaps=$80, bug shield=$50), or take them off and give them back to me. They are then going to deducate about $2800.00 off of my refund because of rebates and incentives offered at the time of purchase, and will not give me the rebate back that i recieved on my truck, which i told them if would go tot buy a truck now that is 2 extra grand i have to come up with now. That would leave me with around 4 G's if they reimburse me for the acc, and minus the 2800.00. If no acce. reimbursement that would e around 3 G's.

I realize that yes i would be getting rid of my "lemon" truck, but i have had a ton of frustration out of this whole thing, and Ford don't care. AN anyone who has went through this knows exactly what i am talking about.

To give you a bief history of my situation.
-56 days out of service
-revving up & down / surging, Safety Issue, 3 repairs attemps=still not fixed
-spordaic no start problem, 3 repair attemps=still not fixed
- truck leaking oil, 2 rear mains replace=still leaking and worse since last repair
-probelms with the radio, replaced three time in one visit, HEY they fixed one.

The list does go on but i think you get the picture. I have only had the truck since last November, and ALL of this has happened in this time frame.


Doe anyone know of a good lemon law lawyer in Columbus, Ohio?????? I may have to go this route.... Hope not but ford doesn't seem willing to budge.


Sorry for the long post but need some help.


Thanks,
PSDboy

 

What are you asking for that is not covered in the above?

 

Sounds like they are being more than fair. If you select a higher priced truck, you should expect to pay the difference. You are already getting a big break with no milleage charges. If you already got the benefit of the rebates already, why should they give you back money you didn't pay? The idea of the lemon law is to put the buyer in the SAME condition he/she would be in had the vehicle not been defective. Since you are not being assessed mileage charges, you are actually in a better condition.

 

Getting a refund and then buying an 05 will wind up costing you. If it was me, I would take the replacement. You might want to look at the tax implications.

 

First off before i get hung out to dry here, I am asking for opinions here. What do you guys think????

If i would select an F-250 04' for replacement of my F-250 03' lemon why should i, or anyone have to pay the difference??? I am not the one who sold a defective product here, and cannot fix it. Ford IS! WHy should i have to make up the difference in this. It would be like you buying a stereo today @ wally world and it being dective. So you go in the next day to get a replace defective, and the pirce went up for the same radio and now YOU have to pay the difference. Not your fault that the radio you bought didn't work when you purchased it. I am not talking about getting a lariat or a king ranch or anything like this. I was talking truck for truck.

As for the rebate question. If you look at my post this was inregards to if I choose for them to refund the vehicle cost. That is $2000.00 dollars that i have to come up with now extra to get back where i would be at now.

And as far as getting a "BIG BREAK" in the no mileage charge, heck i haven't got to enjoy this 43,000.00 lemon. Why should anyone have to pay mileage on a vehicle that has been out of service for a 1/3 of the time they have had it. The truck has safety issue's, and I won't let my family ride in it, when i do drive it. Heck I have almost been in 2 accidents due to this surging thing that the truck does. What will Ford pay then if someone gets hurt or worse????

You know as well as I do if wasn't for the lemon law holding Ford accountable for lemon vehicle, you would litterly have to fight tooth and nail to get this far.

SBV,

What i was asking for that they may not cover is the acces. i am not for sure if i will get another diesel, and my go with the new F-150 Screw. That is what i was concerned if they will reimburse me for.

I am not trying to be difficult here just asking for opinions, someone who hasn't looked at this as many times as i have, or had to deal with the frustration of going through what i have.

Thanks,
PSDboy

 

Yeah, that's the way it works. On the exchange, it does make sense since you're working off MSRP of the old one to the MSRP of the new one. What sucks about that one is if you pick a truck with a little lower MSRP, they don't refund you the difference.

On the refund, again, it does kind of make sense the way they do it. They're basically figuring out what you really paid for the truck after dealing and rebates, adding in the taxes (only on the trade difference if you had a trade), ext warranty, tags, etc. They payoff any lenders and give you the balance. Where you get took on this one is when you go somewhere else and buy something else new. Now you have no trade in so you pay more sales tax.

We've decided to get our money back. I was so close to getting another 04 Ex but I just can't pull the trigger. Too many question marks about the overall vehicle reliability, the future of the motor, resale value of this motor and, of course, the motor reliability itself. I'm not sure what I'm going to buy yet, though. There's no huge rush for us at this point.

 

Go get an 04 off the lot, but tell them they MUST give you the best extended coverage available. I have had no/very few problems with my 04. A/C wire was cut. but fixed in a few hours. My neighbor loves his new 04. And I don't see as many bitches on this page about 04's. IMO you have come out quite well. I have not herd of any changes for the 05!? So why waite

 

I understand what you're saying but it's not quite apples to apples. Your stereo, for example, has not trade in value. It's worth nothing when you go to sell it. Vehicles hold some value year to year. Your 04 truck will always be worth more than your 03, though, everything else being equal, so you'll get that money back at some point. In other words, if you sold the 03 in, say, 3 years, you'd get less for it than if it was an 04. And you got to use the 03 for free basically.

I don't understand this one. You already got the $2k, either in your pocket or knocked off the purchase price. What do they owe you here?

If the MSRP of whatever ford product you decide to get instead is much less than your 03's MSRP, you will be better off taking the money back and then turn around and deal on the cheaper truck.

You're actually getting a little better deal than I am. My states LL doesn't mention repayment of loan payments so I don't get that. I, of course, get any equity paid but not the interest. The DSB rulings almost alway mirror the states LL.

I do understand your frustration and you can certainly see that the auto companies had a hand in crafting these laws as you go through the process. But I'd rather come out even or take a small loss now than have to live with a lemon for years and years.

 

It doesn't work that way. You're not really working with the local dealer, he's just brokering the deal for you. Ford absolutley defines how the deal goes down. There are no negotiations.

 

Thanks Jeb. did not know that. I have looked into the new 05's and other than the front springs, I still say. why waite!

 

Actually - there ARE negotiations - just like with ANYthing....
I got much more than I thought I could thru negotiations...when I did the 02 to 30 replacement...

I think what PSD is most concerned about is that it sounds like they are refunding what he paid LESS the rebate......
meaning he does not GET the rebate if he gets another Ford truck....

when do the 05's come out ?

You could always be "looking" for the right truck for a very long time...
I did for about 6 weeks.... all the time driving my 02.... but making an effort to find the right truck....

Good luck with it PSD - and remember - you can get ANY Ford product even a Jag if you pushed it ! But if you are swapping equal truck to equal truck except for the model year... there should be some give and take in the MSRP pricing....

 

one of the reason to wait for 05 is because in the new truck buyer section there was mention of a 250,000 mile warentty on 6.0 motors?

 

Please tell us more. Was this a DSB or an internal ford (local, regional, etc) buy back/swap? I'd think there would be some room to negotiate if it's handled at some level lower than going all the way to a DSB or LL hearing.

 

You're right Jeb...
it was an 02 to 03 (not 30 :-) replacement at the regional level - but I can guarantee Ford Corporate knows about EVERY buy-back or replacement !

Just search for my user name and replacement from about Jan-April of 2003 -
I put the whole story out there and I got all kinds of assistance from the great people here @ FTE !

 

Thanks jd, That is exactly what i was trying to say but i must not have worded it that way. Sorry for the confusion.

Yes please tell us more about this 250,000 mile warrenty on the 05' 6.0. Where did you get this info from? Just wondering.

Thanks again jd, and thanks to all who have replied.


PSDboy