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First of all I apologize for the RBGF150 name, I no longer own an f150.
Purchased last Friday 2004 supercrew lariat 6.0 psd.
Built date October 2003.
Don't know if reflash has been done, idles well, sometimes at stops idles rough, then when i get moving and stop again it dissapears.
Very quiet on the highway, at idle normal noise, when i get on the throttle noise is less. The power is great. I put on between Saturday and Monday
400 miles 80 percent highway at speeds between 55 and 75 mph, got back home with over 1/4 left on the tank. [ I think that was pretty good].
And finally friends, I have a huge concearn. On page six of the owners manual there is a paragraph that refers to a data collecting box [ Black Box like on the planes] that records paramount information regarding vehicle performance, thats great, but towards the bottom it basically says that the info recorded can be applied in legal issues and so forth.
I'm not a lawyer, but is it legal for a company to put such a product in a vehicle without the consumers consent?
Thanks
Robert
Purchased last Friday 2004 supercrew lariat 6.0 psd.
Built date October 2003.
Don't know if reflash has been done, idles well, sometimes at stops idles rough, then when i get moving and stop again it dissapears.
Very quiet on the highway, at idle normal noise, when i get on the throttle noise is less. The power is great. I put on between Saturday and Monday
400 miles 80 percent highway at speeds between 55 and 75 mph, got back home with over 1/4 left on the tank. [ I think that was pretty good].
And finally friends, I have a huge concearn. On page six of the owners manual there is a paragraph that refers to a data collecting box [ Black Box like on the planes] that records paramount information regarding vehicle performance, thats great, but towards the bottom it basically says that the info recorded can be applied in legal issues and so forth.
I'm not a lawyer, but is it legal for a company to put such a product in a vehicle without the consumers consent?
Thanks
Robert
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Good point . . .
You're right, there are certain things they can and can not access that box for. Say you were in an accident, they can see engine RPM, speed, when you applied brakes, how much, if ABS was used, etc to calculate what went on. But should they access that data on the box for intentions other than benefiting the health and performance of the truck (aside from issues like an accident), I think they'd be in violation of some pretty obvious freedom issues . . . .
Just my thoughts on that.
Just my thoughts on that.
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Originally Posted by Keeseter CO
You're right, there are certain things they can and can not access that box for. Say you were in an accident, they can see engine RPM, speed, when you applied brakes, how much, if ABS was used, etc to calculate what went on. But should they access that data on the box for intentions other than benefiting the health and performance of the truck (aside from issues like an accident), I think they'd be in violation of some pretty obvious freedom issues . . . .
Just my thoughts on that.
Just my thoughts on that.
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Fm Robert
On page six of the owners manual there is a paragraph that refers to a data collecting box [ Black Box like on the planes] that records paramount information regarding vehicle performance, thats great, but towards the bottom it basically says that the info recorded can be applied in legal issues and so forth.
On page six of the owners manual there is a paragraph that refers to a data collecting box [ Black Box like on the planes] that records paramount information regarding vehicle performance, thats great, but towards the bottom it basically says that the info recorded can be applied in legal issues and so forth.
Just A Thought...............on...............My Perceptions................
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Line 1 of the Miranda warning: You have the right to remain silent.
Line 2: Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
Good advice. What about video recorders, CCTV, cameras at intersections, etc. GM products with Onstar. If it can unlock your doors, it can do a lot more. there is lots of technology out there to be used. Don't lie, just shut up.
Line 2: Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
Good advice. What about video recorders, CCTV, cameras at intersections, etc. GM products with Onstar. If it can unlock your doors, it can do a lot more. there is lots of technology out there to be used. Don't lie, just shut up.
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The diagnostic computer can be used for lots of things. I think what FORD is refering to is warranty info. I know when we had the CAT tech come check our marine diesels, he told us we weren't running them hard enough. There's a wealth of information in there.
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Data recording question?
I do not want to beat to death this issue. But another question arises.
If, I was to install a performance enhancing program, weather a chip or the handheld gizmo. Wouln't this "black box" store that data even if I was to return the settings to stock prior to having the dealer work on the truck?
I think it would and then the tech would see that the truck settings where enhanced/altered.
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robert
If, I was to install a performance enhancing program, weather a chip or the handheld gizmo. Wouln't this "black box" store that data even if I was to return the settings to stock prior to having the dealer work on the truck?
I think it would and then the tech would see that the truck settings where enhanced/altered.
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robert
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This has been discussed in other posts. I am not a mechanic but referring to those posts, some mods can be put on and taken off without leaving a residual of them being on the vehicle. Some chips and mods however do leave a mark.