Chips and Dyno tests
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Chips and Dyno tests
I am looking into getting a chip for my 2000 F-150 4.6, I have been going back and forth in my mind about superchips and diablo. I know that they are both good and almost everyone on this site has said good things about them. But does anyone know about Actual dyno tests to show what kind of power these chips are making?? Is it enough power to seriously notice?? What kind of power would you say at the rear wheels if you had to guess??
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Not sure on dyno tests, but I know one FTE user picked up 4/10ths in the quarter in a 4.2 F150 with a Diablo. I keep meaning to get mine dyno'd, but I am broke right now (just married.) It is definately a difference you can feel. The advertised 8-10% HP increase should be pretty accurate. For your 4.6 that would mean 17.6-22 flywheel HP (probably about 14-18 rearwheel HP) depending on the grade of fuel available in your area. Some places have 92 or 93 octane available which will give you the best results if you have your chip tuned for it. I don't think Superchips are custom tuneable for higher grades of gas, so if you have 92 or higher gas available, you'll get the most out of the Diablo. Superchips also has the microtuner available, it costs more, but gives you more control of shifting, rev limiters and also acts as a scanner. Sorry I don't have a dyno to answer your main question, but it definately is power that you can feel. I know that hypertech has dyno's on their website, Diablo and Superchips are both superior chips, so maybe that can give you something to start with.
http://www.hypertech.com/images/dyno...99f1504.6L.jpg
http://www.hypertech.com/images/dyno...99f1504.6L.jpg
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From: irwin,pa
i picked up 4/10th s of a second in the 1/4 mile from going from a diablo deltachip- to a superchips 9100 custom tuner
dyno with diablo was 220rwhp @4300 rpms
300 ft lb tq at 3800 rpms- will dyno the the tuner very soon- predicting 250 rwhp and 350 ft lbs - based on the 4/10ths drop from the diablo
dyno with diablo was 220rwhp @4300 rpms
300 ft lb tq at 3800 rpms- will dyno the the tuner very soon- predicting 250 rwhp and 350 ft lbs - based on the 4/10ths drop from the diablo
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No one picks up 50HP+, absolutely no one, with a gas tune unless its tune for a supercharged application or the vehicle has been so severely modified that the stock PCM tune made it run like crap. I had one 302 V8 application that picked up nearly 60 ft/lbs, but it was also running like crap with the stock pcm and the mods it had. Likely air/tire temp and shift points had more to do with the difference between the Diablo and 9100 than you think.
No one who's been programming 9100s for less than a year is going to out-program the guy who helped bring Ford tuning to Superchips and has been programming PCMs since the mid-80s (Patrick at Diablo). If the guy you got it from were that good, he'd have written the 9100 software, instead of being just a user of it.
No one who's been programming 9100s for less than a year is going to out-program the guy who helped bring Ford tuning to Superchips and has been programming PCMs since the mid-80s (Patrick at Diablo). If the guy you got it from were that good, he'd have written the 9100 software, instead of being just a user of it.
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ken - i'm not here to cause arguments- just reply to posts
last sept i took my 03 f150 4x4 supercab to the track- 1250' elevation, 56 degrees 1/4 tank of gas- magnaflow 3" catback,mac air intake- 5.4 3.55 gears- 1/4 tank of gas-
with your tune-i ran 3 times-16.7's best being 16.721
same track 6 weeks ago-80 degrees-1/4 tank of gas- superchips 9100 tuner- 3 runs- 16.3's- best being 16.322
no - traction wasn't an issue with the diablo- i'm just stating facts- i do not need to fabricate stuff-phil
last sept i took my 03 f150 4x4 supercab to the track- 1250' elevation, 56 degrees 1/4 tank of gas- magnaflow 3" catback,mac air intake- 5.4 3.55 gears- 1/4 tank of gas-
with your tune-i ran 3 times-16.7's best being 16.721
same track 6 weeks ago-80 degrees-1/4 tank of gas- superchips 9100 tuner- 3 runs- 16.3's- best being 16.322
no - traction wasn't an issue with the diablo- i'm just stating facts- i do not need to fabricate stuff-phil
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So you ran better with the superchips... I do like that they have the scan tool/Code reader built in, also. Just curious Whats your gas mileage like? I have a regular cab short bed, 4x4 4.6. So I have the smallest of the F-150's I have a pretty good power to weight ratio, and get decent gas mileage, arround 15 in town. But i have 33" BFG A/T's on too. Does the superchip have the option to compensate the speedo for bigger tires? I think i does not sure though.
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I am not saying you fabricated anything. I am stating that there is no way you're going to gain 50HP over stock with a tune on naturally aspirated engine. You can wish it but it won't happen. Your drop from one tune to the other isn't due to a 20HP difference between the Diablo and the 9100. It is some other factor, be it track conditions, relative humidity, driving conditions, shift points, tire condition (slightly worn tires do better than new tires, hotter tires do better, hotter pavement does better), barometric pressure, etc. Even the amount of adaptive time can be a factor.
Your test methodology is flawed. You cannot compare runs from different times/conditions and use that to draw a valid conclusion such as the one you've drawn. This is exactly why my Superchips vs Diablo Sport tests with the 6.0 diesel were done on a dyno at the same time with the same oil temps (hotter oil has less friction). If I don't compare under identical conditions then any conclusion drawn is questionable.
Your test methodology is flawed. You cannot compare runs from different times/conditions and use that to draw a valid conclusion such as the one you've drawn. This is exactly why my Superchips vs Diablo Sport tests with the 6.0 diesel were done on a dyno at the same time with the same oil temps (hotter oil has less friction). If I don't compare under identical conditions then any conclusion drawn is questionable.
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From: irwin,pa
Originally Posted by v8xploder
So you ran better with the superchips... I do like that they have the scan tool/Code reader built in, also. Just curious Whats your gas mileage like? I have a regular cab short bed, 4x4 4.6. So I have the smallest of the F-150's I have a pretty good power to weight ratio, and get decent gas mileage, arround 15 in town. But i have 33" BFG A/T's on too. Does the superchip have the option to compensate the speedo for bigger tires? I think i does not sure though.
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From: irwin,pa
the dyno won't be flawed ken as i can now go over 4300 rpms in drive- in fact speed limiter is gone- she'll go to 5200- highest i had in drivge- damn fast- but for comparisons- i''l see what the numbers are at 4300rpms - highest the diablo would go in drive
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ken
Originally Posted by webmaster
I believe I've noted that the limiter can be addressed with the Diablo. 
Want it gone?
Want it gone?
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oh well
Originally Posted by webmaster
Something was overlooked -- I noted that before. Yes, I can get rid of it. There's nothing special about that code that prevents removing it.
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SUPERCHIPS Two Stage vs Three Stage Tuner
NEW HERE ON THE FORUM. HOPE I HAVE THE RIGHT LOCATION.
CAN ANYONE HERE DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SUPERCHIPS 2 STAGE TUNER AND THE NEW 3 STAGE TUNER? FEATURES, HP SETTINGS, ECT?
THANKS FOR THE HELP?
CAN ANYONE HERE DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SUPERCHIPS 2 STAGE TUNER AND THE NEW 3 STAGE TUNER? FEATURES, HP SETTINGS, ECT?
THANKS FOR THE HELP?