structural problems on attached garage
I have garage doors that are the same width yours are and they are oriented the same - on the right side of the house. They've always been too narrow to easily drive anything in, except a compact car. I'm in the garage so much I can tell when a stranger comes over, because they knock on the front door. I've opened the garage door closest to the house so many times, I've have to replace the hardware in it twice in 15 years. Probably gets opened and closed 10 or more time a day. I have a workbench against the wall, just inside the door.
I've often thought of pulling both garage doors out, framing in a 32" door on the house side and an extra wide garage door on the other. I could pull my truck in and someone could actually get out on the passanger side, plus I would have a regular door people could walk through.
With this option: I would have to dig a footer, but it would be under the existing header and I wouldn't have to touch the old support post or the garage doors until I was ready, (close them at night). I could frame a 4 foot wide wall with a 32" door that would allow easy access and I could put in a 12' wide usable garage door and toss those useless 8 footers.
For you, after it's done you could frame around the door with decorative brick to match your existing brickwork, (that's a fun weekend project), and it'll make it blend in well with the rest of the house. Also, with a shorter span of 12' you might be able to gain some height to drive your truck in. You wouldn't need such a massive header and a smaller glulam might be enough.
Last edited by Howdy; Aug 27, 2004 at 11:50 PM.
I have garage doors that are the same width yours are and they are oriented the same - on the right side of the house. They've always been too narrow to easily drive anything in, except a compact car. I'm in the garage so much I can tell when a stranger comes over, because they knock on the front door. I've opened the garage door closest to the house so many times, I've have to replace the hardware in it twice in 15 years. Probably gets opened and closed 10 or more time a day. I have a workbench against the wall, just inside the door.
I've often thought of pulling both garage doors out, framing in a 32" door on the house side and an extra wide garage door on the other. I could pull my truck in and someone could actually get out on the passanger side, plus I would have a regular door people could walk through.
With this option: I would have to dig a footer, but it would be under the existing header and I wouldn't have to touch the old support post or the garage doors until I was ready, (close them at night). I could frame a 4 foot wide wall with a 32" door that would allow easy access and I could put in a 12' wide usable garage door and toss those useless 8 footers.
For you, after it's done you could frame around the door with decorative brick to match your existing brickwork, (that's a fun weekend project), and it'll make it blend in well with the rest of the house. Also, with a shorter span of 12' you might be able to gain some height to drive your truck in. You wouldn't need such a massive header and a smaller glulam might be enough.
I think the main disadvantage to this approach is resale value. Most people wouldn't want that setup because the average person (especially where I live) isn't interested in using their garage for anything other than storing their car. I also like to store other things like motorcycles and atv in there. I could still fit them through the side since the door would be bigger than a normal single but it would be less convenient as far as where I could put things in the garage.
I am fairly certain I will just go the steel header route. I got my plans into the village so I hope they get approved without needing an architects stamp. It may cost a bit more than a wood route but the height will be slightly better than now and it will fit in the exact spot without needing masonry work. It is the easiest solution overall and I think using cheaper materials would just require more other work that would end up making it more expensive anyway.
Plans are to have a 18' 2" W8x21 header which is 8.28" deep fit on the masonry wall which has a current depth opening of 8.625" for the ripped down current double 2x10 header. The opening is 16' 8.5" so there will be 9" bearing length on each side. The brick column is a total of about 8" wide so the 5.25" or so flange on the steel will be kept flush with the back and the brick at the front will be split so that it fits and looks the same as now. This brick will keep the header from slipping off the front of the house. Then the 2x6 framing for the garage door will go around the back perimeter and this will keep the header from slipping off the back. I also have masonry bolts where I can drill into the brick and put a bolt through that expands in the hold and keeps the header from slipping laterally.
For a temp wall I will use 2 2x6s laid flat as a double plate header just inside the current door and use 5 adj screw jack columns spaced equally to jack up the wall. I will start raising the wall as soon as the permit is approved. Then I will order the steel header and garage door. Once I get the header I will start working on it by removing the brick in the front of the house which holds the header in. Then I can slide in the new header and do all that work without even touching the garage doors (hopefully). Then I can figure out exactly what framing I want to put in place and order the appropriate custom sized door. Then when the door comes a couple weeks later I can install it.
The header will cost about $400 and the raynor insulated door with windows is about $1300. I should get it done for $2000 and this is the exact credit I was able to work out at the time of purchase on this house because of this problem. It will be better than original when done, cost less than I initially though, and I have certainly learned much. Hopefully the install will go well.
Thanks again for everyones help. I'll post some pictures once done.
Taking out that center post was a thrill. The problem was found to be that they used wood shims on top of the footer and these were totally rotted because I don't think they were treated. Even the 4 2x4s that were the center support went below ground level by about 6" and these weren't treated so they were totally rotted on the bottom. Then on top of this the footer was not even close to level on the top so that was what was causing the support to slide off of it. So many things done wrong on that part it was amazing the house was still standing. When the house was jacked up I used a 3' crow bar between the header and the center post to pry it off and that was causing it to sink more because the wood was so rotted it was just crumbing off the bottom.
Anyway all I have left is to put concrete in that hole where the old center support was and paint that wood in the front. Anyone know if I have to prime that pine before painting with an exterior paint to make it last outdoors? It is this simple stuff I don't know
.Thanks again for the help.
Check out my gallary for final pictures.
Last edited by dirtriderdan; Oct 16, 2004 at 09:11 PM.
I'm on the other side of the fence on the caulk/paint tho from Howdy...I've always found it was better to prime your wood first, then apply the caulking then the paint...the acrylic latex caulking seems to hold better to primed wood than to unprimed...at least in my experience...and don't use pure silicone caulk as it won't take the paint at all...
One other thing I would check in the room above, I believe it's a bedroom?, is to make sure none of the 'subfloor' nails popped up when you did your jacking...a tough way to find out is with a young'n running thru the room barefoot and getting a gash...you can use the head of a hammer laid flat to sort of scrape across it to feel for any loose ones, then just pound them back down thru the carpet...
What's the next project? hehe
Brad
On to the rest of the house...bathroom over the winter...roof in spring...and the list goes on. 45 yr old house with nearly everything original leaves lots of work to do. The stove and oven for example are twice my age but they still work
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