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Old May 26, 2004 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Byrddog
You had a turbo destroyed by a K&N?
I aint buyn it.
Im not talking about what a friend of a friend said about another friends K&N.
Sounds to me more like the filter housing, and paying attention to whats going on with that.
Also, i use to make filters for a living. And there are more than just paper media that work, and work great.
K&N has been around longer than any of these other filter companies.
If it did not perform correctly they would have addressed the problem
They are still in business!

I think K&N realizes there is a problem...they have come out with the "precharger" filter.

"for use in very dusty conditions"

"will stop small dirt particles"

Check out K&N's URL:

http://www.knfilters.com/wraps.htm
 

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Old May 26, 2004 | 07:15 AM
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I'm not putting K&N down. Hell, I've used their filters for my previous two gassers and for my streetbike. "From what I've read", the re-useable filters - because of their cotton base - aren't as strong as the paper style filters. I think that when it comes to turbo or supercharged engines, due to the immense amount of forced air, that a paper style filter would be better suited to handle that amount of stress. I'm not going to take this any further, as it is only about what I've read and not first hand experience. But to me, with recently making a $35k investment, I'm not going to put something on my truck when I've heard mixed reviews about it. But like I said, I'm not putting the Brand K filter down.
 
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Old May 26, 2004 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Byrddog
You had a turbo destroyed by a K&N?
I aint buyn it.
Im not talking about what a friend of a friend said about another friends K&N.
Sounds to me more like the filter housing, and paying attention to whats going on with that.
Also, i use to make filters for a living. And there are more than just paper media that work, and work great.
K&N has been around longer than any of these other filter companies.
If it did not perform correctly they would have addressed the problem
They are still in business!
Just do the search as I said earlier and look at the amount of people with dusted turbo's that have been using K&N filters. And yes my turbo has been dusted and has 1 nicked blade, an oil analysis caught the problem long before it killed the turbocharger or the engine. That's why I got rid of the K&N and the entire factory airbox. I'm not going to get into what type of filter media to use whether it be paper, cotton gauze, or foam. They all have their ups and downs. And as Bob said earlier, K&N has acknowledged a problem with their filters and tried correcting it with a prefilter.
 
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Old May 26, 2004 | 10:43 AM
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Oh Crap!!

I finally took a look at my air filter last night and about shat myself. there is actually dirty water splashed up inside the filter housing, past the filter
I have to know what the He!! ford was thinking when they put that design of airbox in there. This may or may not be a filter issue, but most deffinately is an airbox sealing problem. I will be addressing it this evening. Hopefully there is no Turbo damage. How do I tell? seems to run fine and got 21 MPG on my first tank from Conoco, then 16 on my next tank from Safeway.
 
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Old May 26, 2004 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by fordnut74
I finally took a look at my air filter last night and about shat myself. there is actually dirty water splashed up inside the filter housing, past the filter
I have to know what the He!! ford was thinking when they put that design of airbox in there. This may or may not be a filter issue, but most deffinately is an airbox sealing problem. I will be addressing it this evening. Hopefully there is no Turbo damage. How do I tell? seems to run fine and got 21 MPG on my first tank from Conoco, then 16 on my next tank from Safeway.
When mine started getting dust in it my fuel economy started going down. When I checked it there was dust coating the inside of the intake tube and 1 of the turbo fins had been nicked just a little bit. An oil analysis confirmed shortly thereafter my suspicions; high silicon levels (near 70 as opposed to 6 with the Tymar). I found my airbox lid had been warped down one side and one of those three mounting ear things was broken. You should clean your air intake tube and rid yourself of the stock airbox.
 
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Old May 26, 2004 | 12:08 PM
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How do you do an oil analysis? Does the high silicone levels indicate dirt or dust? I will also take a look at the turbo blades tonight and attempt to better seal the stock airbox for now.
 
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Old May 26, 2004 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fordnut74
How do you do an oil analysis? Does the high silicone levels indicate dirt or dust? I will also take a look at the turbo blades tonight and attempt to better seal the stock airbox for now.
Yes, one of the sources for high silicon levels in the oil comes from dirt! And to get from the combustion chamber into the oil, it goes down the cylinder walls!!

Here is the URL for one of the more popular UOA labs:

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/
 
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Old May 26, 2004 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Byrddog
You had a turbo destroyed by a K&N?
I aint buyn it.
Im not talking about what a friend of a friend said about another friends K&N.
You're in denial. There is more than 1 first hand account in this thread alone.
 
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Hey guys I guess it is hit and miss. I have the K&N, with the precleaner and the Airaid intake. I changed my impeller for the WW a couple of days ago, Not one ounce of dust in my intake nor any signs of dusting of the turbo. Just a little oil from possibly the filter or the crankase vent. But as for me the K&N has been great. Just stay on top of the maintainence .

Good luck with all ya'll's battling.

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Old May 27, 2004 | 01:35 PM
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Well here is what I did. I laid a bead of RTV on the top and bottom parts of the factory intake housing, then smeared some silicone grease on the rubber around the filter so the rtv would not stick to it, and put the whole thing back together. The RTV should dry into a nice form fitting seal all the way around, and hopefully not stick the filter. I will let you know the results after this weekends trip.
 
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