FWIW, I know the dealers just dropped the price on the COP's to around $60. They used to be $108. Take a guess when I bought the one I needed....

 

Thanks for the help guys .... I'll let yas know what happens .

I called my dealer and he wants $118 for a Coil over Plug >

I'm starting to think they are crooks there. I called another place out of town and ttheir price was $102 retail and my price was $83 and some change.

 

Changed fuel filter ... didn't do squat

On to the COP's .... where I am at the dealers mercy .

After talking to a parts service oldtimer who was nice enough to give me the scoop ... seems FORD knows the rear passanger side COP fails quite regulary and prematurely. But will they replace mine free of charge 2002 with 45,000 highway miles if that's the problem .... HELL NO !

I'm ****ed at FOrd and their crappy warranty. Everyone else has enough confidence in their product to offer real warranties where I'd still be covered . Ford can KMA. After 3 Ford truck and nearly $100K I may just switch to Dodge cause I can't stand companies like this.

Rant over.

 

You canget a neon bulb from one of those cheap 120vac testors. You put it on top of the coil and it should glow from the induced voltage causing the neon to ionize.You may be able to locate a bad coil cause it won't have any voltage going through it.

 

the neon bulb works but not as good as the Fluke volt alert tester that thing blinks from 2 inches away. Its a neat tool....1AC-A can get at your local elec supply...

 

Petre ,The interesting thing about your problem is no chk engine light !

After so many misfires the pcm reaches a threshold for misfires and will eventually post a chk eng light.

After you said you drove quite a few miles to get home with this problem I would expected a mil light .

When you start your truck ,does your chk eng light up / normal self test?????

You can do an ohms test on your cops .

If you have the truck scanned at a local autozone for free ,they can point you to the misfiring cop ,if this is truly the problem.

Yes the pass side rear is common ,due to a leaky heater hose sometimes but not always that one.

Good luck !
though dodge has a longer warranty ,they have just as many problems as any other brand !
Rich

 

PETRE,

Did you ever follow Rich's advice in his first post?

 

Thanks I'm gonna look into this tool !

 

I know I am concerned about this as well ... The CE light does light up before start up.

The funny thing is ... when I started it in the morning and ran it ... it ran well/normal for about 5 miles then began to run like crap again.

Will they be able to scan with Diablo Chip installed or do I have to remove it first ?

Also ... If I buy one of thos handheld OBDII units for about $160 and a code book ("Haynes") will that work like the expensive setups they use ?

Thanks

 

No I didn't yet. Gonna do that today . Pull the chip first ... if that doesn't work then I'll pull the Granatelli MAF (Which I'm not sure did anything cept look better anyway )

I have never had a problem with the K&N's before and was told when the MAF goes it usually sets off a CE. I'll try that too though.

I really dry out my K&N's before install .... letting it sit for a few days to coagulate and then blow compressed air through them ... so I don't think it's a fouled MAF ... but you never know .

 

This is all very interesting since my 02 5.4 has done the same thing. I would just rev it up a little and it would always go away. Hasnt done it in a while (knock on wood). oh, and it would do it on start up and sometimes at a red light. I do have a problem now tho when it starts. Sometimes it takes a little more effort to start and when this happens, it puffs out black smoke from the exhaust when it starts. Starting a bit rich I beleive. When it starts normal, no cloud of smoke comes out. My CE light has never come on and the computer has never registered any codes.

 

It is interesting how we can find lots of money to put after market equipment on a truck but can't afford to fix the things when not under warranty. How would we like to guarantee out daily efforts for life? Not me! We know what the warrranty is the day we buy something, if we don't like it - that is the day we should walk, not 45,000 miles later. We all get ****ed at having to make repairs and they are always at the most inoportune time, but they will always be a reality even when the Dodge warranty runs out. Try it - you'll see.

 

Ohhh PULLLEASE ....... For the record I paid nearly $2K for an extended warranty to cover me as good as what comes standard on a Dodge.

What ****es me off most is in all the many vehicles I've owned from other manufacturers , I never had a problem like this on a vehicle just over 2 years old. At 2 years and 45k highway miles , I believe I have a right to be a little disappointed.

So please forgive my rant over it , being a known issue that I've already been told won't be covered because my 2 year old never abused vehicle is over the miles.

Assuming one cannot afford , is also ignorant because at no time did I say I could not afford anything . I've got nearly $40K invested in this truck. ****ing money away to become whole again for something that should not be , is another matter entirely .

Nice thing about the Dodge warranty , since you brought it up .... to my point is that I would have another 25,000 miles of coverage on the engine . IMO as it should be when a manufacture has confidence in it's product. And the $2K I spent would have brought me out to 10 years and 100,000 miles or more.

3/36 is one of the worst warranties in the business ... but we take it anyway and cross our fingers hoping we got a good one. As long as we(owners) bend over ... Ford will make sure we take it.

So please take your HD , that you pompously think anyone envies and shut the hell up cause nothing you said was of any help to anyone but yourself.

 

Sorry - I don't get it. You were always happy with the other manufacturers and never had problems like this. So you then paid more for a Ford over a Dodge and bought the extending warranty for $2K to boot and now you can't get the problem fixed under the spendy warranty. HMMMMMM! I'm out of here.

 

1. It should be covered under the manufacturers warranty
2. They do not cover diagnosis for which my crook of a dealer charges $125 to hook up their computer
3. The warranty charges $100 ded. for covered work
4. Bought the extended warranty because I didn't have a choice in my mind with the pitiful 3/36. Didn't like Dodges products in 2001-2 . Today I'd have to strongly consider a HEMI with a 7/70 where I'd still be covered and have better performance . Loyalty is earned IMO.

Catching up now?

For the record I also own a Mercedes and a Porsche ... Both have 4/50 warranties . Many guys in the PCA & MBCA (Porsche Club of America ... MB" ") Have experienced problems after warranty . Low mile long time & high mile low time . Porsche and Mercedes almost always step up and fix know issues that cost much more $$$ .

Both have been know to replace engines after warranty for semi-frequent or known issues , provide parts or pay deductibles . These are companies that stand behind their product.

The coil on a plug is not a wear item .... for one to fail in 2 years time with 45K miles on it is ridiculous . Further it's a known issue on these trucks just like the leaking passenger side heads are.

Hell I don't even know for sure if it is a COP , but a call top my dealer already confirmed Ford will not cover. And he even admitted to me that 7-10 times its the same hard as hell to get at rear passenger side COP. Laughing about how hard it is to get at and how they do em all the time while telling me the price and how much my warranty wouldn't cover.

To me this is no way to do business and I have every right to not be happy about it.