Okay being new to this I'm trying to decide between teh 2 so let me summaize what the differences are and of course I'll appreciate inputs

1. Edge Juice is essentailly a switchable Chip. With the attiude monitor it has many different modes and will display EGT and Boost which eliminates the need for gauges but still requires a probe to be installed. Edge is overall less expensive 795 for both. However will need code reader to clear any codes that may get left inside from "altering". Does nothing to transmission shifting.

2. Predator has one of 3 modes and also modifies transmisson operation, has one of 3 fixed programs plus the stock. It takes a few minutes to load one vs a simple switch on the EJ. It has the ability to cover your tracks and clear codes and reload the factory flash before taking it to the dealer. You will need to add extra gauges the minimum being the pyrometer and Boost gauge. At 418 plus another 450 for gauges and install come out pretty close to EJ but is slightly Higher in cost.

IS this about if for triats for both? Or anything significant I have left out?

 

Shifting issue is the reason I went with the predator. Works awesome and you can carpet it in the 100hp setting and it shifts flawlessly.

 

I have the Juice with the attitude and I am very happy with it. It will also allow you to adjust the pre boost fueling (wow) and it will allow you to defuel at shift points. The best thing is that it will allow you to set a maximum EGT and it will automaticly back down the levels untill you reach a safe level then power back up. If you are running the others with out guages then you are gambling with a $40,000 truck. My 03 with a build date of 02 will in stock mode pulling a hill will reach 1300 deg at the manifold. So be carefull. I have 35" bfg mudders and in the 3rd power level I can spin the tires anytime I want even at 15 MPH and I have the limited slip 3.73 rear end. This module fixed everything that Ford could not. Thank you EDGE

 

Yes, there is something missing....

The Edge is not a chip. Its an external fueling module that plugs into the wiring harness. $450 for gauges, that's on the expensive side!

 

I installed my own gauges and spent all together $275...$450 is way too much...

 

A couple of places I've looked on line the gauges are in 400 range, for all 3 gauges. I need someone to install them since I'm not in a good spot to do work on my vehicle at present. While I agree the Edge is not a chip but a module, it does seem to suffer from the issue of the engine computer recording fault codes that ford might have an issue with unless you can clear the before taking it in. Which is what a chip would do. My main concern is what does the onboard computer record when the edge is installed and being used in its higher performance sportier modes? Anyone had expierence with that yet. I'm leaning toward the edge/attitude combination, but if I have to buy a code reader too well that might push me over to the Diablo and gauges.

Thanks for all the information so far, I'm impressed with the breadth of knowledge on this board.

 

Edge is more then a chip or 'fuel module'! Seeing as how you can pick up the attitude for about $300 and monitor 21 differant system functions I think it's a great deal compared to gauges. I've had mine since May and no problems. The power from the Edge is awsome ...

 

Hey, I am new to this arena but have read thru practically every item. I purchased about 5 months ago an 04' 6.0L PSD, F350 Crew, LB, 3.73Lim-Slip single axle rear. I am VERY interested in these mods but the more I read the more I see contradictions and thus increases my confusion.. I have been leaning towards the Edge/Att mod because of its LCD motitoring and switchability. Would like to hear from the folks that have it and what have you done to your trucks besides that?

Are the intakes and exhaust systems stock? I am not really interested in changing out the intake/exhause but would like to run it in the middle of the line mode. Like the 65HP Pred mod. I tow ocassionally, not often but when I do its usaully a tandem axle trailer with my loader/backhoe on it weighing in at 10k for trailer and equip. Mostly I drive just myself and my wife empty or lightly loaded in the bed. I have an overall concern of longevity and the EGT thing simply scares me.

I cannot seem to find any reliable source of a baseline EGT reading, regardless pre or post turbo for the stock truck. The manual for the Attitude stated exhaust manifold placement which I take it as post turbo. They have a stock threshold set to 1350degrees. I have to think that a company that makes a product has undergone much engineering and testing before placing a product out. Giving the recommendations and pre-set thresholds, would that be sufficient to reduce the risk of damage? What about turbo boost pressure? What is stock and what readings are prevelant once the Attitude is installed? I take it the boost pressure is read thru the ECU and wiring setup without an additonal sensor/probe being installed?

I have heard horror stories of engine lights and codes needing to be removed left and right when using these mods. I also have the concern with the Predator regarding hard shifting trannies. I have seen many artcles (varying sources on the net) stating that people have had harsh shifting and even tranny probs after performing the Pred. mod.

Sorry for the elongated book but if some real-world experience could shed some light on this it would be greatly apprecaited. Thanks in advance.

 

I have a Predator. Towing over 8,000 is not recommended in the 65HP mode. The "lowest" setting is the tow or 45HP setting that is for towing. I like the fact that you can download updates from Diablo over the internet. When you restore back to factory original programming, it leaves no trace. It has great diagnostics if you are into that sort of thing.

 

It's your personal decision... just like boxers or briefs
sounds like you've already decided on the Edge... but

with either, you SHOULD do some exhaust mods at least...
would stay away from intake mods since there have been warranty issues with that...
and the stock air filter actually is VERY good...

in MY case, the predator was the right choice for me....
99.9% it's in the 65hp mode - very quick, very good mpg increase, very good shifting.
I ordered it from Motorhaven the day they offered it in Jan and have run it since and NO issues...
Really like the on line updates to the code unlike having to ship back the unit for a week or two like others...


As far as exhaust mods - you can:
1) straight pipe it (was too loud for me in X on long trips, but cheapest)
2) replace stock muffler with 4 inch flow thru (didn't try this)
3) get cat back kit - (this either )
4) get turbo back kit (worked like a charm!)

 

Hey JD, which exhaust did you get???....is it loud inside???...is it loud outside???..I'm going to get one, but I dont want it to be one of those LOUD ones that is going to **** the neighbors off....and I like to listen to some tunes while drivin.....I was lookin at the MBRP (turbo back). Tim

 

I could go on for hours and hours in this thread....But I won't

I have both; let me summarize it like this...

IMO, if you are towing, get the Edge. If not, get the Predator. If you want a full explanation on this, just lemme know.

 

The Attitude isn't a fueling module, but the Edge Juice is, no doubt about it.

 

Many thanks to all who took the time to reply, its much apprecaited. Regarding the Predator 65HP setting, what kind of mileage are you seeing? Obviously terrain and driving habits come greatly into play here but was just wondering. Stock I am seeing 16.2 now that I have 8k on the engine, running Delvac 1 Synthetic 5w40... I have noticed a .4mpg increase since I switched over to full synthetic.

Today I have actually ordered the Predator from what seems to be most folks favorite site, Motorhaven. Really nice folks there. Its currently on sale for 399 and offering a 50 instant rebate. Backordered till tomorrow so a few more bucks was generously offered off. Free next day shipping as well... I intend to run the 65HP setting unless I am towing my backhoe, which trailer and equipment tips in at 10,000lbs. I understand the lowest setting (40/100) is designed for towing up to manufacturers spec. The Internet updates also swayed me as well.

My biggest fears are hard shifting but most seem to be good in the low and medium modes, is that correct? At least Motorhaven has a 30 day sat. guarentee, hard to go wrong with that other than time wasted if it doesnt work out.

 

An afterthought once I posted the prior message... Is there anyone that runs the Predator mod and purchased the Attitude monitor as their guages? Since I got (what I feel) was a great deal on the predator unit I was considering the LCD monitoring setup. Have seen it around 250 I think and would be a great addition of much needed boost gauge and others. Does anyone know what stock PSI range the 6.0L PSD hits?