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anyone agree with me
I think Ford should take more time building there SVT's. All the SVT team does is throw a supercharger on the motor add some suspension upgrades put there logo on it and there done. I think just for one year they make a bunch of power with there cobra and lightning without the supercharger. Just to shut these dodge srt fans and corvette fans up. If those companies can do it why cant ford.
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I really hate to say this, but it's because they cant. The 3.5" bore of the mod motors is not condusive to N/A horsepower. They cant stuff big enough valves in it to let it breathe. So they need the superchargers.
The engine I'd like Ford to build is the SOHC 427, only this time with timing belts instead of chains, thoroughly modern EFI and computer controls, modern high flowing heads with big valves, and a good strong cam. That would shut up dodge srt and corvette fans up right quick.
Of course that wont happen due to CAFE concerns, as well as having to large a bore so they cant easily control emissions.
The engine I'd like Ford to build is the SOHC 427, only this time with timing belts instead of chains, thoroughly modern EFI and computer controls, modern high flowing heads with big valves, and a good strong cam. That would shut up dodge srt and corvette fans up right quick.
Of course that wont happen due to CAFE concerns, as well as having to large a bore so they cant easily control emissions.
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SVT does a lot more than "throw" a supercharger on them. The rods are much better and there are other differences too. I'm sure the cams were ground from many hours of research. The 4.6L is capable of making more horsepower than the 427SOHC was rated at without forced induction or any other power adder. They just wouldn't be street friendly.
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Well yeah, the 4.6 has a modern roller cam design. The 427sohc had late '60's vintage cams, flat tappet I believe. So it's like, yeah, duh. But even still, when was the last time you've seen a 600hp N/A 4.6L? I agree, even if you did find one, it would NOT be street friendly.
Like I said, you'd get: Modern high flowing heads, MODERN ROLLER CAMS, EFI, and big valves. There's no way this thing wouldn't make more hp & torque than a 4.6L at the same RPM, with roughly the same cam.
They just made a 302 cammer for some specialty vehicles, so why not a modern 427 cammer? It would take a new (modern) head casting, some special pulleys for the cam belts, and adapter for the transmission, and a stub where the distributor was for the computer engine position sensor. It'd be a beast, it'd be streetable, and it'd shut up the dodge and corvette fans.
Like I said, you'd get: Modern high flowing heads, MODERN ROLLER CAMS, EFI, and big valves. There's no way this thing wouldn't make more hp & torque than a 4.6L at the same RPM, with roughly the same cam.
They just made a 302 cammer for some specialty vehicles, so why not a modern 427 cammer? It would take a new (modern) head casting, some special pulleys for the cam belts, and adapter for the transmission, and a stub where the distributor was for the computer engine position sensor. It'd be a beast, it'd be streetable, and it'd shut up the dodge and corvette fans.
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i think the 427 cammer made in excess of 600 hp and the 4.6 cam be tuned to make over 500hp with special cams (by roush i think) pretty easily...image a fully rollarized valvetrain on a 427 cammer with a huge cam(s) and some modern EFI...
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The side oiler would waste any of todays engine if they could get it through the EPA. Don't get me wrong, the EPA does play an important role, but on the other hand, they have killed some of fords best engines, the 7.3 diesel for example.
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They are getting 600-700 hp out of the new cobras with a pulley change, exhaust and chip.Sounds good to me!
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LOL!!! You are probably a bigger FE fan than I am Rusty! Ford will never make it again. Too heavy for todays tin cans to support. Sure they could go aluminum but theres already 2 companies out there doing that. Ford forgot about the FE long ago. I guess we will just have to set back and enjoy them for a little while longer.
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Originally posted by Ratsmoker
LOL!!! You are probably a bigger FE fan than I am Rusty! Ford will never make it again. Too heavy for todays tin cans to support. Sure they could go aluminum but theres already 2 companies out there doing that. Ford forgot about the FE long ago. I guess we will just have to set back and enjoy them for a little while longer.
LOL!!! You are probably a bigger FE fan than I am Rusty! Ford will never make it again. Too heavy for todays tin cans to support. Sure they could go aluminum but theres already 2 companies out there doing that. Ford forgot about the FE long ago. I guess we will just have to set back and enjoy them for a little while longer.
I agree, I'll keep running my FE. But they aren't gonna be around forever. Blocks, cranks, heads, all those castings will dry up eventually. (end rant)
I dont know, maybe I'll just go buy a Corvette and throw a supercharger on it and be done with it.
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Re: anyone agree with me
Originally posted by surfdunn
I think Ford should take more time building there SVT's. All the SVT team does is throw a supercharger on the motor add some suspension upgrades put there logo on it and there done. I think just for one year they make a bunch of power with there cobra and lightning without the supercharger. Just to shut these dodge srt fans and corvette fans up. If those companies can do it why cant ford.
I think Ford should take more time building there SVT's. All the SVT team does is throw a supercharger on the motor add some suspension upgrades put there logo on it and there done. I think just for one year they make a bunch of power with there cobra and lightning without the supercharger. Just to shut these dodge srt fans and corvette fans up. If those companies can do it why cant ford.
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ok, here is a example of ford doing some real work on a motor that could up the ante:
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...s/0402mm_boss/
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...s/0402mm_boss/
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Originally posted by otto
yea then svt engines are all han d built, I believe the 03 cobra uses manley i beam rods
The Saleen S7 uses a EEC-IV Port FI OHV 427, is it an FE or what ? That S7 is hot
yea then svt engines are all han d built, I believe the 03 cobra uses manley i beam rods
The Saleen S7 uses a EEC-IV Port FI OHV 427, is it an FE or what ? That S7 is hot
I agree though, that S7 is, um, yeah. I want one. OBTW, it has a 428, not a 427. It uses an aluminum block, with what looks like the deep skirt removed, probably to save weight. So it's kind of based on FE dimensions. In the loosest sense of the word, it is an FE, but, yeah.
4 1/8" bore, 4.0" stroke, it's close to a 428. I suspect they either offset ground the crank or rounded up to get the 4.0" stroke, since 428's have a 3.98" stroke.