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Old Jan 29, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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Question Valve Seal Replacement

I'm planning on replacing the valve seals on my 351m in a couple weeks. My question is what else should I do while I'm in there. New springs, rockers ...?

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Old Jan 29, 2004 | 12:54 PM
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How many miles are on that engine ?
 
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Old Jan 29, 2004 | 01:24 PM
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102k miles. I did a compression check and have between 125 and 140 psi at all cylinders. I'm smoking at startup and acceleration.

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Old Jan 29, 2004 | 02:11 PM
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Are there any gaskets leaking that you can see ?
This would be a good time to take car of that too.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2004 | 10:36 PM
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Heads on or off?
Re: springs, if the engine has never been overheated and free length measures consistent keep em. I guess you could measure the rate to see if you had some weak ones but if the engine was fine before, I wouldn't bother. I would not up the rate.
Rockers: inspect for wear and replace as req'd.
Might as well clean the pushrods.
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Old Jan 29, 2004 | 11:20 PM
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Smoking under acceleration is usually rings. Smoking on deceleration (high manifold vacuum) is usually valve seals.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2004 | 11:26 PM
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That Eric sure is one smart feller. Could bb verify that by redoing the compression test after shooting some oil in the holes to see if it comes up? BTW Eric, is there a tech article on how to properly do a compression test?
 
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Old Jan 29, 2004 | 11:57 PM
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I learned how a long time ago, back in the days of stone tools, before 'puter codes, but there are usually directions in any repair manual. 125-140 is a big spread, not as bad as the 0-90 spread I had on the last engine I worked on... Oil will be a good next step but I have seen good compression with bad oil rings also. So it is not a 100% definitive test but it helps narrow the field.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2004 | 12:10 AM
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Are there different seal materials and/or styles available? If so, which is best, I have a been getting an umbrella seal out of Viton (I think) and they seem to work (and last well).
 
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Old Jan 30, 2004 | 12:13 AM
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I have been told that the teflon positive seals are best for intake valves but the exhaust side should use std umbrella seals.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2004 | 12:33 AM
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I have had carbon deposits on my intake valves on tear down and am under the understanding that one wants some oil to get to the guide. Would you guess I might be pulling to much oil down the intakes side or is running rich also a cause? (I know the carb fat on the bottom, but just havn't gotten a round to it. $$ and experience.) These are S/S valves on bronze guides. Am unfamiliar with the teflon pos seal, would it allow less oil to pass? This sure seems like a fine line to walk.
PS: bb don't mean to take over your post but you prob care about this stuff also.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2004 | 10:41 AM
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This is all good to know. I'll run a wet comp test this weekend. When I did the dry, all the psi's remained steady. Took 2 or 3 cranks to get to max on all cylinders.

I'll be doing the job with the head on.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2004 | 12:38 PM
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Make sure all the plugs are out and that the throttle is blocked open. All of the readings should be within 10% of the highest reading. Oil will make very little difference in a cylinder with good rings. I use regular engine oil in a squirt can.

The positive seal teflon units let less oil thru and are very good for intake valves. There are some people that feel that they do not allow enuf oil thru on the exhaust side and can cause accelerated wear rates. If you have a buddy rebuilding an engine at the same time share a set of teflon seals with him.

If you change valve seals with the head on use the rope trick to hold the valves up. It is easier than air. -IMHO
 
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Old Jan 30, 2004 | 04:05 PM
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Thanks, I'll let you know how it works out.
 
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