First Amendment - gutted
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I think it had more to do with the disclosure part of it.Rich people buying political influence,overseas contributions.political interest groups.I have to look into it further.That was the part of soft money i was referring to .I don't know all the details yet.That was my short take on the issue.
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The law in question, the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (BCRA), makes pre-election broadcats of issue advertising--by qroups such as the NRA, or the Sierra Club, and by all labor Unions--a crime if the government can claim those ads refer to a politician running for Federal office. Under BCRA, it will be a felony for NRA, using corporate funds, even to refer to a "Schumer bill" or a "Feinstein amendment" if those words are aired in any broadcast media 30 days before a primary election and 60 days before a general election and can be heard or viewed anywhre in their home states of New York or California. Even use of the phrase "THE President" in such an ad is a prohibited criminal act--nationwide.
The law in question, the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (BCRA), makes pre-election broadcats of issue advertising--by qroups such as the NRA, or the Sierra Club, and by all labor Unions--a crime if the government can claim those ads refer to a politician running for Federal office. Under BCRA, it will be a felony for NRA, using corporate funds, even to refer to a "Schumer bill" or a "Feinstein amendment" if those words are aired in any broadcast media 30 days before a primary election and 60 days before a general election and can be heard or viewed anywhre in their home states of New York or California. Even use of the phrase "THE President" in such an ad is a prohibited criminal act--nationwide.
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Originally posted by Fordfaggiole
Man you had me going there for a minute.I read your post,and it seemed to say it was a crime to broadcast issue ads by the above mentioned parties.Not being familiar with the legislation,I thought it to be so.Upon further investigation,I find that it is not a crime to broadcast the ads,but those ads must have full disclosure of who is funding the ad.It has something to do with soft money.I have to look into it more ,but it doesn't sound as bad as i first thought it to be.You have to be more careful how you word these accusations.I feel a little foolish for overreacting.It's been quite a day!
Man you had me going there for a minute.I read your post,and it seemed to say it was a crime to broadcast issue ads by the above mentioned parties.Not being familiar with the legislation,I thought it to be so.Upon further investigation,I find that it is not a crime to broadcast the ads,but those ads must have full disclosure of who is funding the ad.It has something to do with soft money.I have to look into it more ,but it doesn't sound as bad as i first thought it to be.You have to be more careful how you word these accusations.I feel a little foolish for overreacting.It's been quite a day!
Here's some more info, from a later post: "Under BCRA, it will be a felony for NRA, using corporate funds, even to refer to a "Schumer bill" or a "Feinstein amendment" if those words are aired in any broadcast media 30 days before a primary election and 60 days before a general election and can be heard or viewed anywhere in their home states of New York or California. Even use of the phrase "THE President" in such an ad is a prohibited criminal act--nationwide."
Maybe "felony" isn't so bad to some folks, but it is serious to me.
The major media corporations who are exempt from this are effectively on a list, which can be added to or subtracted from at the whim of congress. I'm afraid too many of us feel secure in our complacency, and are rationalizing this situation as the rantings of a madman. You cannot see what you refuse to observe.
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Re: Hey Pchristman:
Originally posted by bigdmizer
You should do a little more homework next time before setting off the "air raid siren". You don't want to get the reputation of the Boy who cried wolf.
You should do a little more homework next time before setting off the "air raid siren". You don't want to get the reputation of the Boy who cried wolf.
What now is to prevent congress from changing the 30 day and 60 day limits to 30 months or 30 years? What now is to prevent congress from adding to the list of forbidden words?
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Originally posted by Fordfaggiole
Upon further investigation,I find that it is not a crime to broadcast the ads,but those ads must have full disclosure of who is funding the ad.It has something to do with soft money.
Upon further investigation,I find that it is not a crime to broadcast the ads,but those ads must have full disclosure of who is funding the ad.It has something to do with soft money.
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Originally posted by Fordfaggiole
Man you had me going there for a minute.I read your post,and it seemed to say it was a crime to broadcast issue ads by the above mentioned parties.Not being familiar with the legislation,I thought it to be so.Upon further investigation,I find that it is not a crime to broadcast the ads,but those ads must have full disclosure of who is funding the ad.It has something to do with soft money.I have to look into it more ,but it doesn't sound as bad as i first thought it to be.You have to be more careful how you word these accusations.I feel a little foolish for overreacting.It's been quite a day!
Man you had me going there for a minute.I read your post,and it seemed to say it was a crime to broadcast issue ads by the above mentioned parties.Not being familiar with the legislation,I thought it to be so.Upon further investigation,I find that it is not a crime to broadcast the ads,but those ads must have full disclosure of who is funding the ad.It has something to do with soft money.I have to look into it more ,but it doesn't sound as bad as i first thought it to be.You have to be more careful how you word these accusations.I feel a little foolish for overreacting.It's been quite a day!
It is a crime for those parties (and many others - AARP, ACLU, NAACP etc.) to broadcast issue ads, within the 30 day and 60 day time periods. With or without full disclosure.
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Originally posted by Fordfaggiole
Are there some special interest groups you support that this law affects?
Are there some special interest groups you support that this law affects?
By the way, my group is the NRA, whose primary goal is the defense of our Second Amendment. It was the NRA who was waiting on the courthouse steps after this bill was signed, to be the first to challenge its constitutionality. The NRA was joined by many of the groups I've mentioned above, and others, in this fight for freedom. For many of the groups, this fight is the only common cause among them.
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p.christman , giving money to politicans so they will vote for YOUR particular Issue is Bribery....pure and simple. I have nothing against the NRA or You personally. But, surely you have to Recognize the BIG problem here, do you not. When any politican supports\votes for\advocates an issue because they were paid Money IT IS WRONG. They OWE their time and Advocacy to The Voters that elected them period.
............That's the PROBLEM currently with both the Executive and Legislative branches of our government. It has NOTHING to do with freedom of Speech, rather it is directly related to Freedom to Bribe. Nobody likes to use the correct Term to describe what the Hell is actually going ON.
............Why....don't YOU explain to me where I've Missed the Mark??? Have I stated anything incorrectly ???........s.kuteman
............That's the PROBLEM currently with both the Executive and Legislative branches of our government. It has NOTHING to do with freedom of Speech, rather it is directly related to Freedom to Bribe. Nobody likes to use the correct Term to describe what the Hell is actually going ON.
............Why....don't YOU explain to me where I've Missed the Mark??? Have I stated anything incorrectly ???........s.kuteman
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Originally posted by skuteman
............That's the PROBLEM currently with both the Executive and Legislative branches of our government. It has NOTHING to do with freedom of Speech, rather it is directly related to Freedom to Bribe. Nobody likes to use the correct Term to describe what the Hell is actually going ON.
............Why....don't YOU explain to me where I've Missed the Mark??? Have I stated anything incorrectly ???........s.kuteman
............That's the PROBLEM currently with both the Executive and Legislative branches of our government. It has NOTHING to do with freedom of Speech, rather it is directly related to Freedom to Bribe. Nobody likes to use the correct Term to describe what the Hell is actually going ON.
............Why....don't YOU explain to me where I've Missed the Mark??? Have I stated anything incorrectly ???........s.kuteman
As an aside, the FEC has already identified loopholes in the money side of this law, so that financial shenanigans are once more "business as usual."
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When are you people going to understand? Groups cannot display an ad that says how a politician voted on a bill. What is wrong with you that makes you think this is right?
pchristman, i agree 100% with you. Most on this board are what i would call sheep. Try ar15.com general discussion for some people with sense.
pchristman, i agree 100% with you. Most on this board are what i would call sheep. Try ar15.com general discussion for some people with sense.
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Originally posted by DeerSniper
When are you people going to understand? Groups cannot display an ad that says how a politician voted on a bill. What is wrong with you that makes you think this is right?
pchristman, i agree 100% with you. Most on this board are what i would call sheep. Try ar15.com general discussion for some people with sense.
When are you people going to understand? Groups cannot display an ad that says how a politician voted on a bill. What is wrong with you that makes you think this is right?
pchristman, i agree 100% with you. Most on this board are what i would call sheep. Try ar15.com general discussion for some people with sense.
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I don't think it's a matter of caring,it's a matter of some of us see the good points of it along with the bad.All some of you see is just the bad.There is a balance on this issue. We feel that it does more to clean the system up of special interest groups buying political influence.It's not a matter of taking rights.It's a matter of applying them without undo influence on politicans.