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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 09:32 PM
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might have solved my Glock problem

some of you might remember a while back i posted about a problem with my glock 9mm. the shells were catching in the ejection port, "smoke stacking" people said... "youre limp wristing it" then why doesnt my .45 jam???

anyways, that was with 115. grain rounds. i finally got a chance to use 124 grain, and only jammed once out of 40 rounds which is a great improvment over one out of 3 rounds jamming with 115 grain.


also i finally got a chance to really shoot my 1954 russian sks. its awesome! but i dont know if it was glare from my shooting glasses, or if the rear sight is too wide and makes the sights blurry in front of the target? maybe it was cause it was an indoor range...
 
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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 10:04 PM
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Here is another way

 
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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 10:11 PM
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Shooting an SKS is a real fun time experience.. I love both of mine - one has a modern monte carlo stock mounted, and looks great, but the other is an issue standard Russian model, of undetermined age. Both are remarkably accurate, getting 1.5 in centers, at 300 yrds. Accuracy falls rapidly from then on, with anything over 600 yards being pot luck.

With your Glock - you may have the wrong return spring for the load you shoot. Get a few different springs, and test which cycles better with which ammo.

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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 10:12 PM
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Your Glock should not be jamming at all ! Our duty weapons have been Glocks for 9 years now and a failure to fire or function is totally unacceptable.

You may not be limp wristing , but you may have a problem with the ejector. In some cases excessive use of stell cased ammo does cause errosion of the extractor and ejctor . You should have it looked at by a Glock certified armorer. No pistol should be acceptable when it has a constant rate of failure.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 10:26 PM
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ive considered putting a new spring in my glock


THeo, ive been wanting to ask you for some info on FAL's

i can definantly tell my colt AR15 will be better for me, personally if im going for accuracy over the sks
 
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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 10:38 PM
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i also have a couple sks rifles i have an old army one that holds 10 rounds and that is fully automatic now that ive tampered with it a little, and i also have a a new one with a black sinthetic stock that folds away and a bipod scope etc.. both are very fun to shoot ammo is about $2 a box cant resist that, my old sks is not very accurate, but the new one is right on with the scope, i use them for target shoot specially blowing porcelon toilets up, its good for about 300 yards. guns were cheap to i have about $150 in the old one and about $350 in the new one i would buy another if i had the chance, i also have a glock 9mm and had the same problems till i went with the heavier bullet, works fine now and doesnt jam anymore. i also load my own shells so i can pretty well do what i want with them.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 11:07 PM
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I saw the thread title and figured you sold the Glock and got a Sig.
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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 11:09 PM
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ooooh easy dono! might have a glock loyalist or two on the site here
 
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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 11:27 PM
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you have incoming mail..

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Old Dec 23, 2003 | 11:31 PM
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theo- i got the email but it wont let me write back to you.

i guess what i want to know about FALs is how easy are they to clean, operate, accuracy, how do they compare to a AR15, and what models NOT to get?
 
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 01:10 AM
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Strange, I will go check on my settings.. they changed themselves a year or so ago..

The FAL is a very reliable weapon, that is the very easiest to strip, clean, repair and reassemble. The operation is logical, in either the full auto or semi auto models, with well made mechanisms and firmly attached furniture.

Models to avoid surprisingly, are the very expensive ones - you are getting too much smithing, for not enough gain, so the Brazilian receivered models are fine. They will need a good working over, to tune the weapon to you, but that is true for any off the shelf weapon.

To compare one to the AR15 family is somewhat unfair - one, the FAL is a 7.62 NATO round with very proven efficiency.. The other, the AR15 is the much smaller .223 round, that is good in some circumstances, but terrible in others. I do not like the .223 weapons, having seriously tried three, and sold 'em all. I have 2 FAL clones, both worked over, and both able to deal with the dirt and grit that will kill an AR15. However, in small pest and game circumstances the AR15 is far superior - lighter in weight, lighter rounds, and easier to shoot all day. But in any defensive, or medium game situation, I would not hesitate to take the FAL out of the safe. I prefer it in urban combat over the shotgun, or the M16 family of bang sticks.

For situations where larger game is sought, I use the ubiquitous 30.06, in a Remington 721.

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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 02:15 AM
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BT250,

Your in luck, as I am a Glock armorer. First how old is your Glock and how many rounds thru it? Sounds to me that you have a very dirty extractor. Go over it with a wire brush. (get down in that groove real well, also make sure you have a real good lip!)

The problem that you are talking about, the jams. The most common reason for this is limpwristing. Make sure you hold your wrists very firm. Next question. Have you ever taken the back of the slide apart? This is the plate at the end of the slide right below the rear site. Answer that one and I can help you a little more.

You don't have that problem with the 45 cause it has enough OHMPH to bring the slide all the way back to battery. The 9 has the grit but if is not held firmly enough it will double feed. My dept uses the Glock 17 with 124grn +P+

I can make that thing double feed with these loads to. No matter the load, the 9 requires a very firm hold on it.
 

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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 07:59 AM
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i love my sks, my old man brought it back from the war. have had it all my life. i take it up to the range now and then and shoot 600 yards with no problem at all. usually withen 1/2 inch of bullseye, but at 800 yards i tend to wander withen 3 inchs of bullseye, and at 1000 yards i am usually within the circle but usually not the bullseye. but then again i grew up with this rifle and been shooting it bare sights for many many years. i have shot many rifles since my dad was military and kinda high on the totem pole, sgt major, i got to fire a m16 and a m60 when i was 16. got to throw gernades, and do all the obsticle course things the young jarheads use to do on camp penalton.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 10:23 AM
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BOWCOP- i bought the glock *used* about 4 years ago. i have no clue how long the person before me owned it, how many rounds they put through it, or any modifications they have done to it, the spring is a glock made spring, but isnt it possible to put a heavier spring in from the glock factory? i keep the gun spotlessly clean, although i have nevere taken the plate off of the rear slide, im afriad to, dont want to do any damage. anyways all the jamming occured usually with cheap 115 grain target loads, once i ran some 124 grain it only jammed once. like i said before, it use to jam every 3 shots. didnt matter what clip i used or how many rounds were in it.

as for limp wristing... im 6'1" 190 pounds, pretty well built... the glock doesnt jump too far off target when i fire it, its pretty quick to resight. and the .45 i own, i shoot 230 grain, seems like it has pretty low recoil and its NEVER jammed on me.

next time i go to the range i think just for the heck of it ill put a new factory spring in it and try some 124+p rounds.
 
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 10:45 AM
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If you have a problem with cycling caused by a spring, it is not always that the spring is too weak... it can sometimes be too strong for the rounds you are using..

Limp wristing.. It is possible to limpwrist a weapon without knowing it, and being a big guy does not automatically count you immune to it. If you hold the weapon awkwardly, or if you have any trouble with you WEAK side grip, the cycling can be effected.

Any pistol needs to held firmly, with both hands, when firing it, and the left (weak) side grip is the one you should concentrate on. Without being there, showing you the way to support the strong side grip is kind of difficult. I would recommend practicing shooting with a much tighter weak side grip on the weapon, and less so on the strong side.

Taking the weapon to an armorer or gunsmith would be the best way to deal with it, but cost is often high..

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