Chiefman,
I am to assume I am the one you refer to as one of the "fearless moderators". While I would not consider myself anything of a coward, I have, on occasion, known fear. Yet, I am not quite sure I understand the use of the term "fearless" as it applies in this discussion.
Also, I am not sure I understand why you view this as less than a serious discussion and instead something that made you laugh.
Also, I really don't understand your point.
God created us all and he doesn't make mistakes, yet the reason we have morals is because we have a "highly developed thought process"???
I'd imagine God feels a little left out, seeing is how he gave the Ten Commandments to Moses as all. Sort of makes it wasted effort on his part.
Anyways, you are more than welcome to participate; glad to have all points of view. But....I think you might want to re-read the thread. I think you misunderstood much of what was posted.
Thanks again.
Sign me....

FEARLESS

 

Of course your entitled to your view.

I find it a little contradictory to believe in God and evolution at the same time with regards to man being no different to animals.

If one believe in God, I assume one must also believe in the creation story. The creation story says nothing about man evolving into a moral creature on his own.

In the creation story God created man on the sixth day after He created everything else. Gen. 1:24-31 Then God brought the animals to man and man named them. Man had superior knowledge and intellect. The animal kingdom was in place when God created just one man, a unique species all it's own. The Bible also states that God created man in his own image. This would seem to point to another thing seperates man from the animal kingdom. A very big distinction indeed! Nowhere can I find one passage of scripture that states any animal was created in Gods image. God told man, Adam, that he was to subdue the earth. This is where God had given Adam dominion over the earth. This gave man authority over the animal kingdom. Not equal to, but in charge of. I can't find anywhere in the creation story or anywhere in the Bible where the animal kingdom becomes equal with man? If one believes in the creation story as it is written in the Bible, God made man to be the hunter, not the hunted.

 

I believe both in God and in evolution because I believe that God created the earth as well as all laws on earth as tools to help humans. Because of this, I cannot call myself a Christian because I do not believe in the words that are spoken by those who teach Christians. I do not believe in people who treat others differently because they have different traits, and I think its bad that I was taught to be a good Christian you had to do this and do that. I do believe in God, but I have my own views on religion that fit more into Scientology than Christianity. I just don't buy that Christians are better than everyone else. In my opinion, no one has the right to say that. This is why I believe in not harming, changing, or killing off children with birth defects. We all have a lot in life and if it is to be different in looks or traits than others then that is something that God gave you and you must make the best of it. I dont believe God makes mistakes. People are people whether they are Christian, Muslim, Physically disabled, mentally disabled, gay, straight, male, female. God created them all and who am I to try to change that. I am a nobody with no rights to change that.

 

Since the time that humans have stopped reproducing by the most fit doing the mating (Probably, what 4,000 years for the most part?) The gene pool is slowly eroding. When reproduction is based on love/compassion/feelings, it is not the most physically fit doing the most reproducing, but the most sociable. This may improve the mental aspect of the genetics, but in no way will advance the most ably bodied. Increases in things such as athsma, allergies and the like will increase. So too, for the short term, the pyhsical abilities of certain individuals, because of the extreme mixing of genetics that would not have otherwise occured. Slowly, over thousands of years, the most fit will decline, and thereby be in more demand again. This change will happen very slowly, you can't derail hundreds of thousands of years of evolution in just a couple hundred generations, but it's bound to happen.

 

On a small-scale, we can already see the results of mankind's attempts at genetic engineering. Back in the 70's, when I was in college, I took a short Humanities course called "Racial Thought in America 1860-Present". The black professor told us stories of southern experiments to breed stronger slaves by force mating the strong women with the strong men. The results were significant. He pointed out that there were towns in the deep south that had an extraordinaryly number of large, naturally-fit black men and women amonst its population whose ancestry can be traced back to those forced breeding experiments. I believe that one of the cities was in Louisianna, but it's been too long for me to remember much about it.

 

I concur. Man has practiced husbandry on nearly every useful animal or vegetable, wether intentionally or not. Not so, on man himself, outside of the southern slaves or the *****. Has it occured to anyone why there is such a large percentage of blacks in the NFL? Is this societal conditioning, an escape route from economic conditions, or genetic? If one of these, what's with the National Hockey League? Almost all white boys! Same reasons?

 

BECAUSE WE CAN.

It really is that simple IMHO.

Any animal mother would save her crippled or deformed offspring if it had the ability, just as a cub would morn its dying mother and try to save it.

There are examples in nature of animals, especially herding, social animals, in which groups support the weaker individuals. I *believe* that animals would support/protect the frail members of their groups, IF THEY COULD.

Humans have no predators.

Complex question, but really a pretty simple answer.

Waxy