292 or 429?
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292 or 429?
I have a 59 f-100 with 292 and 3 on the tree. I have the oportunity to purchase a 429 and a C-6 tranny. Any input?
I would have to rebuild either the 292 or 429. The plus is the automatic.
I'm not trying to stay stock and plan to drop 3-4".
P.S. Thanks KENNY for your year ID help
I would have to rebuild either the 292 or 429. The plus is the automatic.
I'm not trying to stay stock and plan to drop 3-4".
P.S. Thanks KENNY for your year ID help
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The 429 is kinda an odd duck. It's from the 460 family and you can get high perf stuff for it, but it's certainly not popular or plentiful.
May I suggest you look at the lighter 5.0L/302 or the slightly more powerful and torquey 5.8L/351W. Lot easier to find stuff for, if you're trying to watch your budget.
I'll let the stockers try to talk you into the 292, I'm a darksider.
May I suggest you look at the lighter 5.0L/302 or the slightly more powerful and torquey 5.8L/351W. Lot easier to find stuff for, if you're trying to watch your budget.
I'll let the stockers try to talk you into the 292, I'm a darksider.
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ford-y-block.com (great site
)What theme are you going for? 50's? modern? 429 will certainly satisfy you power needs, but a y-block is the ******* child and gets lots of thumbs up at shows. plus is more powerful than you think. Plus the y-block is already in the truck. 429 is a fairly tight fit. Get the old y-block running and you might be surprised. See the post atticmole has up. -4speed
)What theme are you going for? 50's? modern? 429 will certainly satisfy you power needs, but a y-block is the ******* child and gets lots of thumbs up at shows. plus is more powerful than you think. Plus the y-block is already in the truck. 429 is a fairly tight fit. Get the old y-block running and you might be surprised. See the post atticmole has up. -4speed
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Not to be bassackwards here but the 429 is a GREAT engine. It is a presmogger with gobs of power and torque with no mods. It will also run circles around a lot of the smogger 460's.
The downside is it requires 93 octane AND will be hard to keep the rear tires from lighting up in any gear.
The downside is it requires 93 octane AND will be hard to keep the rear tires from lighting up in any gear.
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Go with the Y-Block. I had a factory 429 in a 72 Gran Torino Sport a few years ago, and many other good ford motors at different times, and none of them ever started up a conversation like my 292 Y-Block. Of course that could be because I like it so much, sometimes I don't shut up. I am now rebuilding a 312 Y-Block now to replace my tired 292, Because only another Y-Block can replace a Y-Block.
If you want to stay some what close to the original look and feel of your truck, Nothing will help that more than a Y-Block motor, And even if you are into customizing, the Y-Block is still Cool. Trust me Dude, it will talk to you.
Larry
If you want to stay some what close to the original look and feel of your truck, Nothing will help that more than a Y-Block motor, And even if you are into customizing, the Y-Block is still Cool. Trust me Dude, it will talk to you.
Larry
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Sounds like I created somewhat of a heated battle.
. Do I go big or stay traditional... Not much into shows but would like a nice looking FAAAST truck.. I have a great 2002 Ford Super Crew and have restored a 1976 F-100 straight six... Lots of fun till it got stolen. Now, I want a fast good looking truck with comforts like auto and power brakes/steering, semi slammed.
I am a bit concerned about the octane here in SoCal, who do you think about using the 429 and building up with 460 crank and pistons?
. Do I go big or stay traditional... Not much into shows but would like a nice looking FAAAST truck.. I have a great 2002 Ford Super Crew and have restored a 1976 F-100 straight six... Lots of fun till it got stolen. Now, I want a fast good looking truck with comforts like auto and power brakes/steering, semi slammed.I am a bit concerned about the octane here in SoCal, who do you think about using the 429 and building up with 460 crank and pistons?
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My father inlaw tells me stories of the guys that walked away cussing after he would beat them in a street race, then show them the little 292 under his hood. All kidding aside, these Y-block's built right are FAST!
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I'm not sure about transmissions, I'm keeping my 4 speed, but I think they are coming out with new ways of making different automatics work all the time. Have you tried reading thru some of the old threads? I learned alot just browsing aimlesly thru them. There should be plenty on the trans question, it is asked alot.
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The only problem with the y block is the cost and availability of the parts to hot rod it. I know there are some available but not nearly as many as the later model engines. The Y block sound is distinctive. AHHHHHH the sound of solid lifters.......
My suggestion ?? Weigh all alternatives, call and get prices, look at everything. The 429 will require motor mounts, trans mounts, shifter, console, shift indicator, plus some rewire issues. The Y block was designed and fits the truck.
Final decision, your truck, your money.
Let us know what you do and the approximate cost so that we too can make intelligent choices.
Bubba Not nearly as cool as Niolon
My suggestion ?? Weigh all alternatives, call and get prices, look at everything. The 429 will require motor mounts, trans mounts, shifter, console, shift indicator, plus some rewire issues. The Y block was designed and fits the truck.
Final decision, your truck, your money.
Let us know what you do and the approximate cost so that we too can make intelligent choices.
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That swap to any non original engine is not a weekend job, so factor that in.
I helped installing a 74 Police (unsmogged) 460/C6 in a 56 and I'll tell you it is scary. Finally had to go to 2.75 gears in the 9" just to get traction when empty. OTOH it runs the ***** with a load in the bed and the boat out back.
If the 429 needs a rebuild I'd pass on it. You can buy a 70- 80's Lincoln/Tbird/LTD/Grand Marquis in good running condition for $300-500 with the 460/C6/9". A little bit of intake and ignition work and you have a fairly potent setup that runs on regular octane. Feeling rich? Get a set of Edelbrock heads.
Now, putting a C4 on the Y is the way to go if you want to go that route.
I love Y blocks but there aint no substitute for inches if you want to make tracks. Figure on $3-4000 if you want a 275-300 HP Y and have to farm out most of the work.
There are some 460 powered F150's running at the dragstrip out here and they turn some decent times.
And then there is the 800 HP 4x4, that is something to watch
Whatever your choice, have fun
I helped installing a 74 Police (unsmogged) 460/C6 in a 56 and I'll tell you it is scary. Finally had to go to 2.75 gears in the 9" just to get traction when empty. OTOH it runs the ***** with a load in the bed and the boat out back.
If the 429 needs a rebuild I'd pass on it. You can buy a 70- 80's Lincoln/Tbird/LTD/Grand Marquis in good running condition for $300-500 with the 460/C6/9". A little bit of intake and ignition work and you have a fairly potent setup that runs on regular octane. Feeling rich? Get a set of Edelbrock heads.
Now, putting a C4 on the Y is the way to go if you want to go that route.
I love Y blocks but there aint no substitute for inches if you want to make tracks. Figure on $3-4000 if you want a 275-300 HP Y and have to farm out most of the work.
There are some 460 powered F150's running at the dragstrip out here and they turn some decent times.
And then there is the 800 HP 4x4, that is something to watch
Whatever your choice, have fun
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I am a big fan of both y-blocks and the fearsome 429. I'd buy the 429 just to resell at a profit. Also, if you are going to a AT you will be needing a new mount. There is a new one on ebay right now starting at $9.99. 2448202370 is the item number. Good luck, John
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By all means Go with what you feel good about and have fun. I am talking from my heart and not my head with my Y-Block, so my opinion may not have been very helpfull. Good luck however you chose to go.
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Thanks for all of the input. I was looking through the Tranny and Motor Threads but could not find one ref. C-6 bolting to the 292. Anyone know or could help? I am refering to the C-6 because I can get it for near nothing. If not, it's only money
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Rattdet,
Here's my 2 cents....Even if the C6 is cheap, I'd still use a C4. The C6 is a great trans & it does have its place.....but it's heavy, bulky, & not notably efficient in terms of power transfer. Virtually all professional/bracket drag cars with autos use the C4 for that reason. A street 292, even with nitrous, will work just fine with a C4. Also, C4s are usually very easy to find, relatively cheap (local salvage $50-$100), and cheap to rebuild.
As far as engine choices....I had a Y-block....am switching to a 460. The fit doesn't seem that bad to me...but then I'm used to working on imports..... P.S. I like Y-blocks, it just needs a rebuild & I am an ex-drag racin' fool....My wife wants another '55 truck for herself, it'll get the Y-block/Ford AOD trans combination.
Here's my 2 cents....Even if the C6 is cheap, I'd still use a C4. The C6 is a great trans & it does have its place.....but it's heavy, bulky, & not notably efficient in terms of power transfer. Virtually all professional/bracket drag cars with autos use the C4 for that reason. A street 292, even with nitrous, will work just fine with a C4. Also, C4s are usually very easy to find, relatively cheap (local salvage $50-$100), and cheap to rebuild.
As far as engine choices....I had a Y-block....am switching to a 460. The fit doesn't seem that bad to me...but then I'm used to working on imports..... P.S. I like Y-blocks, it just needs a rebuild & I am an ex-drag racin' fool....My wife wants another '55 truck for herself, it'll get the Y-block/Ford AOD trans combination.