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Old Mar 2, 2025 | 07:24 AM
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Is it a no no

Is it a no no to weld plugs in the holes on a Swiss cheese frame?
any other good option to cover them up.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2025 | 07:34 AM
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You have an ‘80 or ‘81 frame?

 
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Yes 1981 F250 4x4
 
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Old Mar 2, 2025 | 10:01 AM
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The frame has lasted 44 years so far. Why do you want to cover them up? Seems like a good place for rust to form.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2025 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by My4Fordtrucks
The frame has lasted 44 years so far. Why do you want to cover them up? Seems like a good place for rust to form.
I dont know about rust but I would also have to ask why?
You might have heard something bad about them but have you seen with your own eyes one that was bad?
I have not and I have a 81 F100 4x2 and dont worry about it.

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Old Mar 2, 2025 | 02:30 PM
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I dont know about rust but
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Im assuming that wherever that where the frame was welded could be a good
place for rust to start if not properly sealed.
 
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Each time Ford hit that frame with a large punch to punch those holes, it made the metal around the hole stronger. You will notice they formed the frame into a "C", they did not weld it from flat metal. Each time they formed or punched the frame member, it made it stronger, it's called "work hardening".

Those holes will not limit the load carrying capacity of the frame. They may make it weaker if you had a side impact.

That is why the factory discourages welding on the frames. When the frame is heated, it takes the work hardening out of the metal. They weld on large trucks all the time, but they have instructions that they are allowed only to weld on them in certain areas using certain methods.
 
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Originally Posted by My4Fordtrucks
Im assuming that wherever that where the frame was welded could be a good
place for rust to start if not properly sealed.
I would think that where it was welded they would paint the area so it would not rust.
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Originally Posted by Franklin2
Each time Ford hit that frame with a large punch to punch those holes, it made the metal around the hole stronger. You will notice they formed the frame into a "C", they did not weld it from flat metal. Each time they formed or punched the frame member, it made it stronger, it's called "work hardening".

Those holes will not limit the load carrying capacity of the frame. They may make it weaker if you had a side impact.

That is why the factory discourages welding on the frames. When the frame is heated, it takes the work hardening out of the metal. They weld on large trucks all the time, but they have instructions that they are allowed only to weld on them in certain areas using certain methods.
that is exactly what I was thinking.
I reckon I’ll live with it.
 
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Strictly for cosmetic reasons if I decide to go with a flat bed.
 
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I didnt know they used that on the 250's. I thought the swiss cheese frames were only on the 100-150's.
 
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I didnt know they used that on the 250's. I thought the swiss cheese frames were only on the 100-150's.
I believe they all had it in 80-81.
might have been a heavier version F250 and 350 that didn’t use this frame?
this one does have the floater rear Dana 60 and 44 front.
 
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Thanks for the tip
 
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Originally Posted by Ar. Hillbilly
Strictly for cosmetic reasons if I decide to go with a flat bed.
Ah, I see.

Like many others, I'm in the no weld camp. In a perfect world, with perfectly matched material and perfectly executed welding, you should be okay. But in practice, there will be high and low points in the welds, not to mention defects, all of which will concentrate stress.

But since the primary purpose is cosmetic, what if you rigged up some non-structural panels? Maybe some medium gauge sheet metal or similar? Or design the flatbed to hide the holes?
 
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Ah, I see.

Like many others, I'm in the no weld camp. In a perfect world, with perfectly matched material and perfectly executed welding, you should be okay. But in practice, there will be high and low points in the welds, not to mention defects, all of which will concentrate stress.

But since the primary purpose is cosmetic, what if you rigged up some non-structural panels? Maybe some medium gauge sheet metal or similar? Or design the flatbed to hide the holes?
been considering some panels.
I also agree with the stress points. I don’t think that welding is a good idea.
 
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