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Can you imagine the confusion at the parts house for something like a filter seal. Sir: Do you know what trans is in your truck 10r100, 10r140 G or 10r140. Customer says it's a white gas superduty...with a blank stare. Partsman: what engine is in it? Truck owner says a gas engine, I'll already told you 5.8 I think. Sir, there is no 5.8 with your year. Customer: maybe a 6.7 idk
I've seen this 1,000 times at the counter and Im just shopping for parts.
One thing pointed out above, GM and Dodge have a much more streamlined engine/trans setup.
You can still get a 3/4 ton truck with a version of the 10R140 in a GM HD 6.6 gas.
I wonder how GM engineers can sleep at night, having the pure unmoderated hubris of consolidating their powetrain over the last few years down to one gas motor, one diesel motor, one transmission for both. pure witchcraft.
no no no, we as worldly Ford buyers don't want that, Ford needs two gas motors, two versions of the diesel motor, and three transmissions. Just feel the sophistication.
I like the simple build and give me the best you got approach from GM.
Ford had that in 20-22.
Dodge would not let you get an Aisin and HO CTD in a 3/4 ton. Imho Ford said this and wanted to one up Dodge .Dodge FORCED people that wanted an upgraded CTD into a 1 ton SRW. Also if they wanted the better trans, they had to get a 1 ton srw AND an HO.
I like the simple build and give me the best you got approach from GM.
Ford had that in 20-22.
Even the 20-22 SD 10R140 was apparently different between the gas and diesel versions with some parts being lighter duty on the gas versions.
My problem with the 6.8 and the 10R100 has always been that no company makes a weaker version of something to be just as good as the more expensive offerings, and it stands to reason there was significant cost cutting to make it worth while.
Sure, that is absolutely true.
with the 20-22 10R140, it was still labeled as a 140, just the gas version was labeled with a G having 5 vs 6 clutchs and different converters.
Lighter duty elements can be more efficient and easier to calibrate, because they operate closer to capacities and tolerances. A good example is putting too large axles on too light of a truck, large unspring weight that needs to be managed, without the counteracting weight of a heavier vehicle.
Also, assuming the 10R100 is rated for 738ft/lbs, why does this matter? That's over 50% more than the gas engines put out.
Now, if you are planning on supercharging and being unkind to your truck, that would be the only situation I can see it mattering.
Lighter duty elements can be more efficient and easier to calibrate, because they operate closer to capacities and tolerances. A good example is putting too large axles on too light of a truck, large unspring weight that needs to be managed, without the counteracting weight of a heavier vehicle.
Also, assuming the 10R100 is rated for 738ft/lbs, why does this matter? That's over 50% more than the gas engines put out.
Then why offer the 10R140 with the 7.3 at all in Tremor and 350 applications? 4.30 and 35 inch tires in 250 doesn't add 50% load to the driveline compared to 33 inch on 3.73 gearing.
Gas,
I think for it's intended use being a F350 and/or Tremor gets the heavier trans because of higher higher likelihood of harder usage.
f250 and Fx4 are soccer dad trucks. The F350 and Tremor are a bit more purpose built for harsher use.
Also, assuming the 10R100 is rated for 738ft/lbs, why does this matter? That's over 50% more than the gas engines put out
Thats been my take on both the 6R100 and 10R100. The build far exceeds the engines they are mated to. I read all the same complaints about the 10R140 and 10R100 but yet to read of one actually burning up and failing under working conditions?
Ive had both the 100 series lighter duty transmissions used for towing between 13k-16k. They ran the same temps as my 10R140s with the same weight being hauled or towed. Once the new Ram trucks hit with the 8spd im getting rid of all these clunky, bucking, surging, slipping, terrible shifting Fords I have
Gas,
I think for it's intended use being a F350 and/or Tremor gets the heavier trans because of higher higher likelihood of harder usage.
f250 and Fx4 are soccer dad trucks. The F350 and Tremor are a bit more purpose built for harsher use.
According to this Tremors in F250 form is rated to tow same or even less than non tremor variants, page 3, for 7.3 4.30, Tremor is rated for 5-600 lbs less than non tremors for 5th wheel and gooseneck towing.
Thats been my take on both the 6R100 and 10R100. The build far exceeds the engines they are mated to. I read all the same complaints about the 10R140 and 10R100 but yet to read of one actually burning up and failing under working conditions?
Ive had both the 100 series lighter duty transmissions used for towing between 13k-16k. They ran the same temps as my 10R140s with the same weight being hauled or towed. Once the new Ram trucks hit with the 8spd im getting rid of all these clunky, bucking, surging, slipping, terrible shifting Fords I have
If they put the 10R100 behind all the gas motors and I will be more inclined to believe Ford has the same confidence in the 10R100 as you do. But their action screams otherwise.
Here is a failure of a 10R100 with several others chiming in of theirs failing.