Yep, try look beyond your immediate circle of equally well off retiree friends once in a while

 

Rare earth mining is a very dirty business. The United States is sitting on a ton of resources that is currently not economically viable to extract and refine if all federal, state, tribal, and other regulations are followed. Frankly I don't disagree that we should not screw up our western states further just to pursue the EV dream.

 

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Quote "(Rare earth mining is a very dirty business. The United States is sitting on a ton of resources that is currently not economically viable to extract and refine if all federal, state, tribal, and other regulations are followed. Frankly I don't disagree that we should not screw up our western states further just to pursue the EV dream.)"
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Since when do we put need ahead of Greed? Where is your investment portfolio pointed.
We have equipment that is as big as a Very large thought to haul the crap to the place it needs to be.
Being #1 Exporter in the future is the only important thing of the thread. These minerals are needed by
All of the developed world. Electronics are so important in so many ways.

The Bad People are Shut down Worldwide with this news. Tribes don't own the ground to the center of the earth. The USA does.
Husbandry of the land in great ways is also necessary to protect the wildlife and those few who actually are living out there.
Cement Companies are awful, making Gypsum Cement mix & the mining of White rock are awful but its millions of tons. The
Roads and Bridges and building foundations and all the other stuff is absolute.

Let all of us dream that these Engineers can produce what they are in agreement of is actually a possible future for all.
I get it that if some can drag stuff out long enough, they can put the screws to everyone.

 

A very experienced opinion of what it all means when you choose to go green with your mode of Transportation.

The Media is Lying to You About Electric Cars (msn.com)

For instance, Teslas do not have a standard OBD port, making it difficult for independent mechanics to access diagnostic information. This limitation can lead to higher repair costs and dependency on dealership services.

Sure, we think that the auto manufactures are bound by Laws, obviously read the fine print.

 

Hey man. How bout you check what your condition is in.

 

it’s no secret that Scotty hates EVs. Plus before I watch one of his YouTube videos I have to take a Valium to keep from exploding due to his “energetic demeanor”. If I turn on one of Scotty’s videos with my wife around I have to listen to her yelling at me to turn it off.

 

Who cares about personal investments at this point. The Man has Valad points to check out.
No EV Pickup will ever meet my mileage days on the weekend needs in my lifetime. Of that I am sure of.
I have no time for a 30-mile run to get to a Super Charger.
Maybe Solid-State Batteries can do better, but not fill my needs either.
Sure I can drive to a very iffy place and plug into a Charger somewhere in the City.
I don't have 2 hours to waste with its crap either. Maybe in the next 5 years the feedback is going to pile up.

Electric cars are having more problems, but not because they’re electric | CNN Business

 

Agreed that Scotty has very valid points. EVs are not for everyone or every application. It does makes sense for people who can charge at home inexpensively and wake up every morning with a Full Tank if you drive less than 200 -250 miles per day my Lightning or Tesla Model Y never needs to go to a public charging station. In 10 years of EV ownership I’ve only paid to charge maybe 6 times in 100,000 miles. My total time at public fast charging stations probably is less than 2 hours.

If you tow long distances or drive more than 250 miles daily then an ICE or Hybrid makes more sense. Thats why I own a Super Duty to tow our 5th wheel.

I have good recorded stats on my Teslas. I’ve driven my Model Y about 8000 miles in the last 12 months. It cost me a total of $179 in electricity at home and at public charging stations As you can see only 3% of my charging was at a Supercharger. And only once did I stop to charge to get some extra juice on the way home to get some extra buffer on a 280 mile round trip. The other times was just to verify it still worked. The one time I “needed” to get some buffer I only stopped for 6 minutes to give me 25 kwh to add 85 miles of range. The teslas charge at a higher rate 250 vs 150 and are more efficient 3.4 vs 2.1 than the Lightning. The Lightning would have taken 20 minutes to get 40 kWh’s or 80 miles of range added.


Here are my Tesla Stats for the last 12 months.
54% Home
43% Other = my charger at cabin
3% Super Chargers.

 

Look at some of Scotty’s other YouTube videos

Ford vehicles are CRAP
I only buy Toyota and Lexus vehicles
Ford didn’t sell a single truck last month and they are going bankrupt
Why Hybrid cars will Kill you
Ford can’t sell their vehicles anymore so they are giving them away
GM just announced they are leaving America and firing all their workers.

 

My home uses 1400 Kw average without charging a vehicle. My average monthly payment is $400.
Thats plus NG. Wind power Farm and major solar instals in large fields near by. I will have to add to
the Capacity of the Box to deal with an EV's BS. All my experiences with Electric stuff has cost a
whole bunch of Dollars.

A U.S. gallon of gasoline contains 114,000 BTUs of energy, or about 120 million joules.
Kilowatt Hours
A kilowatt hour is a unit of energy commonly used to measure electricity consumption. It is the equivalent of using a kilojoule every second for an hour. Therefore, a kilowatt hour is 3.6 million joules.
So 3 gallons of gasoline = 360 million Jules. So approximately 40 KWH added a day. Today my home uses under 50 KWH a day. Yep I am high with the offices in it. Its easy to see the Electric bill is doubled from today forever.

Now you look at facts like NG being outlawed in Gestapo states and you can also see electric bills tripled from today to cover the yearly needs add the $1000's to instal Electric radiant heat and the ac and charging batteries. Says is it's easy to get a $900 bill a month soon. Sure, the Electric generation capacity is really stressed now & can't get there for a few decades either most likely.

So it is realistic to look at a $12,000 light and heat bill for an average home then. $2000 + house payments, Water / Sewer and trash bill of over $250 + a month.
New vehicles priced near $70,000 for SUV.s and over $100,000 for F150's, must i go on.

So do we need The Donalds to tell us what to do?

 

Blame the game, not the player, Youtube algorithm rewards clickbaity titles and thumb nails that drive traffic. Those who play nice get buried.

Some of the more informative automotive channels on youtube look click baity as heck(think Caredge, MotorFeed, CQA, CarCareNut, etc). Doesn't subtract from the content they deliver. Channels like ford tech makuloco play nice but his recent videos get maybe 50k-60k views each.

As far as the video in question is concerned, since you avoided the issue of non-OBD ports, perhaps you are okay with some EVs having proprietary ports that cannot be accessed like more conventional automobiles. That should surprise absolutely no one.

 

California does have crazy electric rates.

My Sister lives in Sabastopol, CA. They are very frugal aka Cheap. The house she bought already had solar on the roof and a EV charger in the garage. They are on a Time of Use rate. She told me her electric bill is less than $100/mo even with charging her EV.

She has had a Nissan Leaf for 2 years now that does all of the daily driving. After discount, federal tax credit and local credit it cost her less than $20k new. For the 10 hour road trips to Portland to visit the kids and grandkid she has a 10 year old Subaru. They love the Leaf but it isn’t a great road trip car because it can’t use Tesla or CCS chargers on the road. It uses CHAdeMo which is like the Betamax of EV chargers.

 

I'm thinking Lease EV's in the Future. If the F150 can reach 500 mile range at a normal 65mph driven speed all day I will own one.
Don't think that will happen for a decade or so. My 2.7 turbos can average 25 - 28 mpg at speeds below 65 mph. Usually near 60 is the best. I hope Ford
builds a 2.7L. F150 Hybrid soon. Gets there finger out of ther arskkss...(Ford has stuck it with packages costing $2 - 3,000 or more. B.S.) on most packages.
Sure its Mfg. crap!

 

I had a 2016 2.7K turbo in a 2016 F-150. It was surprisingly peppy and very efficient. It was a great truck.
I also had a 2016 F-150 w/3.5L turbo to tow a 7,800 lb travel Trailer. It pulled it well but the trailer was in charge in windy conditions
I also had a 2019 F-150 Supercab with a 6 cylinder 3.0. Another efficient truck but not good for towing. I sold it to Carvana for $14,000 more than I paid for it after 18 months.

The only version F-150 I haven’t owned is a Hybrid with Powerboost. I considered one but went with the Lightning since it was cheaper to operate, cheaper to buy with Ford rebates, dealer discount and tax credit. Plus the 240v 30 amp output silently can power my remote cabin during frequent power outages. The Lightning is the most efficient and best riding truck I’ve ever owned with Florida 11 cents/kw home electric rates.

FP&L, the Local power company has a deal for $38/month. It includes charger hardware with installation plus unlimited night and weekend charging with upfront cost. If you already have a 50 amp outlet it’s only $31/mo for hardware and free charging. https://www.fpl.com/electric-vehicle...tion/home.html

I charge at 2 locations (home and cabin) so so me it doesn’t pay to get the FP&L deal.

 

I’ve towed my boat 1,100 miles so far this summer, the last 130 miles were yesterday’s trip to Lake Minnetonka. I subscribe to my company’s $50/mo package that gets me up to 1,200 kWh with no overage charges. Last month was 1,500 kWh because I towed frequently, and my bill stayed the same. I’ll get kicked back to the off-peak 7.4¢ rate if I exceed my cap over a 3-month average.

My Expedition averages 10 MPG pulling my boat, so I’ve saved 110 gallons of gas. That’s at least $300 that’s still in my pocket, and the summer isn’t halfway over. It never gets old beating people off the line at 12,000 lbs GCW…nobody expects a boat to move that fast. The kids in the back seat love it.

EVs aren’t for every use case, but they do a great job for me. It’ll have been 5 years driving electric in November, and I have no desire to go back.