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This has differences from #1 . No ELECTRIC listed !!!

!!!...For an unknown reason the 1st table did not display notes I typed in the box to describe it !!!
Notes & info my be confusing . I apologize .
Compare this with the other/s Also note the word ELECTRIC !!! Why is electric even mentioned ?
NEED HELP with which specifications a NEW power steering pump fits my short wheel-base manual steering truck . I think I will have to shorten my steering shaft.
I also will be displaying a pump in next post I I do not think will work but I do not know WHAT I need , hence why I am asking............ha

P.S. This became more jumbled after I hit enter to post this , I hope you can understand this . First pump table ends with the line turn to turn or lock to lock........
Hopefully WE can figure this out !!!!!!!!!!!

 

Here is a pump with no fluid reservoir ! I assume it will be better to get a pump with a reservoir !!!
Anyway I have hard time posted this info ...so I need a break .....will add more soon --- hopefully..........
I need any & all advice on converting manual to power steering . My main concern is the shaft diameters differences & other differences in the 2 steering boxes I posted earlier ! They both are supposed to be compatible , but you know how that goes........hence my needed HELP from you all............


This MAY be compatible with one of the other steering boxes I posted earlier , it is the same company.......

HELP.....................Me....................... ...ha....................lol................

 

Whoa! Full stop! Stop the gibberish. Basic info needed: year, auto/3 speed/ 4 speed column, engine. So to convert to PS, you need a 68-79 Ford Saginaw PS gear from F-100/150/250/350 2wd. They are the same. There are PS pump kits available from several places. Read the conversion articles in Fordification.
OOPS, din't read your little blurb on the bottom. You have a 302 3 speed. You will have to find a 3 speed PS Saginaw column, or go with a 67-68 Bendix PS gear.

 

I have read Fordification long ago..............but 3rd party manufactures are also making steering boxes for power steering , these are the ones I posted . They are being sold to fit MY 1971 3 speed manual , column shift . Now listing did not ask if it was short wheel base or not........or if it was to be used as a conversion..........but I think the Fordification article says the steering shaft has to be shortened in a conversion because the P/S box is larger.........these are susposed to be manufacturers specs but as you can see there are differences in the measurements..........Also the pump has no fluid reservoir.......
Any way will you help with what info is needed & what why are there different diameter specifications in the 2 boxes I listed ..........
Thanx..........
P.S. I will revisit the article ............I think they had a Bendix box also..............maybe it was for a certain year.............I am guessing the boxes I listed are Saginaw compatible because of the year of my truck..........hence why I am here.........Also I am mainly interested in the turning , lock to lock confusion , one says 3.75 OR 4 ! I was flustered & in a hurry and did see the measurement were very close on some . I see now they are almost the same on the diameters !!!! Do forgive my CONFUSION..........I HAVE MY REASONS............LOL............

 

They are probably Chinese copies of a Saginaw box which will not WORK for your manual 3 speed column. Either look around for a Saginaw 3 speed column 68-79, or use a Bendix box to get close. Napa has rebuilt Bendix's for 530 + 250 core charge. A good PS pump is a Saginaw which actually came in Econo's. Jeff's Bronco Graveyard has new Saginaw pump kits for Bronco 302's which would work for your 302.
https://www.fordification.com/tech/3-spd-shorten.htm

 

Realizing I need to replace a PS pump that's starting to whine on my '70 F-100 302. It has the original style PS pump & tank and was wondering if there was a benefit to moving to something like a Saginaw style, or something more modern performance designed? Is just about saving space? Aside from running longer hoses there's not much else to the swap when there's already power steering installed, right?

 

I didn't have power steering and went with a borgeson siginaw conversion for my 302. they are known to be quieter, less likely to leak, and offer the ability to support hydroboost brakes. it's a lot smaller too like you mentioned. I don't think i'd swap unless i had an issue with the current set up or wanted hydroboost.

I can't offer much help here, but wanted to point out that even the Bendix PS gear is longer than the manual. i've heard some people just push the column further into the cab though. might make it worse offering a different option than you mentioned, but i believe there were some power assist options from the dent era on early 4x4's. seems like you could mount one end to the front most beam and the other to the drag link and not have to weed through making full power steering work with your 3 on the tree column.

 

Cheers, appreciate it. Given that I'm going to need to replace the pump I have now I'll weigh it all out.

 

...Will you explain the PROS & CONS of HydroBoost power steering...
Is it difficult to install & does my current MANUAL parts have to be moved or modified or cut

 

I believe he was referring to Hydro boost brakes. That system is used on Diesels and big cam motors that don't produce enough vacuum to operate a vacuum booster. They simply use the hydraulic pressure from the PS pump to boost the brakes.

 

What he is talking about is a power assist system tapped off the PS gear for 4WD's running huge tires for rock crawling. It is not a 2wd thing.

 

Thank-You Crop Duster..........

 

I’ve got a question for you RTT. All those data points in your charts look like specifications for Steering gearboxes. But you’re talking about pumps and show a picture of a pump body without the reservoir.
Are you talking about both, and I just missed the segue? Or are you talking about pumps only?
Hence the confusion from all the specifications listed for the gearbox and not the pump maybe?

 

First I heard on the radio u died..........I am glad u r not dead..................I wondered where u where.........
Anyway the post your talking about is a little jumbled as I stated.........
Yes I was referring to the parts needed for a conversion............Been doing some research & my SOURCES say that I must have power steering pump to do hydroboost. Vacuumn boost is not worth the effort or money..........I will make sure I keep my new plugs in the drums & hope that is enough to to keep the shoes dry .
Seems my main worry is going down Mt. Shasta in the rain........ or " LOOKOUT MOUNTAIN ".................LOOKOUT............

 

You'll never keep all the water out of a drum brake. But rain is not normally the direct issue anyway. It's usually a good sized puddle, or a creek crossing that does them in.
And they will survive to brake again. We're just always hoping that they fix themselves before we need them again!
Hydroboost or vacuum boost does not matter when the drums are wet. No amount of power applied is going to make them work any better until the friction material is sufficiently dry to do the job.
That's one of the advantages that disc brakes have over drums. I'm a drum fan still, but won't choose them first, when disc is an option.
It's the water to a certain extent, and it's fade resistance to a certain extent (not fade-proof by any stretch!) but it's mainly the simple maintenance and lack of needing adjustment to keep them up to snuff.

I won't say one way or the other for hydroboost vs vacuum. They both work just fine, but given space limitations, hydro has more assist. If you have a big vacuum booster though, they can put a lot of power under your leg.
For our vintage rigs though, hydro is maybe simpler to install than a decent vacuum booster. Assuming what parts you have to work with.
Anyone making a kit to fit a '71?

Paul