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Old Jan 12, 2024 | 03:06 PM
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ECU Computer or computer part number?

Hello all!
I'm cross posting this from the Econoline van forum due to no responses over there.
As an introduction I've purchased a 1994 E150 high top van and am turning it into my mild offroading 4x4 camper van. I've grafted in the front end of a 2005 F150 to get 4x4. I have lots of other work to do before it is roadable, but the front axle is at least in place now!

The van has 340000+ miles on it. When I bought it I knew the engine was overly tired and needed to be replaced.

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As part of my 4x4 offroader van project I also need to rebuild the engine. It is worn out! I'm going to upgrade it along the way for a mild performance boost. I plan to put aftermarket heads (165cfm SBF STREET CYLINDER HEAD) and aftermarket CAM shaft (comp cams: Xtreme Energy Computer Controlled 212/218 Cam for Ford 5.0L) on it. I understand I need to upgrade to MAF to be able to get any real benefit out of this combination. I have a MAF from a 1995 E150 and understand what wiring changes are needed. However, I am unable to locate an ECU locally - all E150, F150, and Mustang computers have been long ago salvaged from the 4 different salvage yards in Boise.

I'd like to find a good MAF ECU. I've read on various forums I really need a California Emissions 1995 ECU since that van had MAF. I also believe the 1996 ECU switched to OBDII and is not really compatible with the 1994 engine? Let me know if I'm wrong on this.

So, all this said, I started searching EBAY, etc and have found a what appears to be several 1995 E150 ECUs. However, I can't tell if they are MAF or not. So, I'm hoping someone here knows what the correct part number(s) are that I should be looking for.

Or, any other ideas to get a MAF computer with E4OD transmission support for my 5.8L?

Thanks all!
 
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Old Jan 12, 2024 | 03:36 PM
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I would think really hard about using Holley Terminator X or a Microsquirt controller here. Big advantage in that you can tune these ECU's, but it's still a big learning curve.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2024 | 06:16 PM
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I converted my 94/5.8/E4 to MAF with a HOG0 & a MUT1 (EDIT, these are 1994 5.0/E4OD computers)

I'll have to dig into some boxes if you want the engineering numbers

I got a whole 10 hp with no tuning over the SD

I now have the pimpxshift (microsquirt) from stinger that I'm learning.

Running sequential & SD, no MAF

If you got 1400 & can do a little wiring, it runs in EEC-IV architecture & the E4OD just fine.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2024 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Scndsin
I converted my 94/5.8/E4 to MAF with a HOG0 & a MUT1

I'll have to dig into some boxes if you want the engineering numbers

I got a whole 10 hp with no tuning over the SD

I now have the pimpxshift (microsquirt) from stinger that I'm learning.

Running sequential & SD, no MAF

If you got 1400 & can do a little wiring, it runs in EEC-IV architecture & the E4OD just fine.
I'm not familiar with the acronyms HOG0 and MUT1. What are those?
What's your opinion of the pimpxshift? How does it run? Any reason to stick with SD versus going MAF?
Thanks for any thoughts!
 
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Old Jan 12, 2024 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NotEnoughTrucks2014
I would think really hard about using Holley Terminator X or a Microsquirt controller here. Big advantage in that you can tune these ECU's, but it's still a big learning curve.
I'm not afraid of a learning curve. (I'm a programmer by trade.)
I've researched the pimpxshift and it looks promising.
Any personal experience with the Holley Terminator X?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2024 | 08:58 PM
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I just read through the Holley web page about the Terminator X and see it does not include support for the E4OD. Any ideas how I would use the Holley product and still have control over the tranny?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2024 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bd96a3
Hello all!
I'm cross posting this from the Econoline van forum due to no responses over there.
As an introduction I've purchased a 1994 E150 high top van and am turning it into my mild offroading 4x4 camper van. I've grafted in the front end of a 2005 F150 to get 4x4. I have lots of other work to do before it is roadable, but the front axle is at least in place now!

The van has 340000+ miles on it. When I bought it I knew the engine was overly tired and needed to be replaced.

------- copy from the other forum post:
As part of my 4x4 offroader van project I also need to rebuild the engine. It is worn out! I'm going to upgrade it along the way for a mild performance boost. I plan to put aftermarket heads (165cfm SBF STREET CYLINDER HEAD) and aftermarket CAM shaft (comp cams: Xtreme Energy Computer Controlled 212/218 Cam for Ford 5.0L) on it. I understand I need to upgrade to MAF to be able to get any real benefit out of this combination. I have a MAF from a 1995 E150 and understand what wiring changes are needed. However, I am unable to locate an ECU locally - all E150, F150, and Mustang computers have been long ago salvaged from the 4 different salvage yards in Boise.

I'd like to find a good MAF ECU. I've read on various forums I really need a California Emissions 1995 ECU since that van had MAF. I also believe the 1996 ECU switched to OBDII and is not really compatible with the 1994 engine? Let me know if I'm wrong on this.

So, all this said, I started searching EBAY, etc and have found a what appears to be several 1995 E150 ECUs. However, I can't tell if they are MAF or not. So, I'm hoping someone here knows what the correct part number(s) are that I should be looking for.

Or, any other ideas to get a MAF computer with E4OD transmission support for my 5.8L?

Thanks all!
get a 1995 e150 5.0 or f150 5.0 computer, all of them will be MAF and EEC-IV
Mustangs had EEC-V but thats a whole other thing. You also may find help on eectuning.org
 
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Old Jan 12, 2024 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bd96a3
I just read through the Holley web page about the Terminator X and see it does not include support for the E4OD. Any ideas how I would use the Holley product and still have control over the tranny?
you would need an aftermarket controller in addition to the holly. are you saying you have a 302 and an e4od? The original engine in that van must have been an inline 6 or a 351?

Also, just so you know, E4OD dont cool in reverse gear. Not sure if that should mean much to you but just dont leave it sitting in reverse unless you are moving
 
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Old Jan 12, 2024 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bd96a3
I'm not familiar with the acronyms HOG0 and MUT1. What are those?
What's your opinion of the pimpxshift? How does it run? Any reason to stick with SD versus going MAF?
Thanks for any thoughts!
Those are "batch" or "catch" codes that ID certain engineering codes (describing year, engine, trans, etc.)

The basic 12A650 means "computer" in Ford parts speak, everything before & after describe "what for"

The pimp does fine as to what it needs to do with the supplied tuner studio allowing you to make the adjustments.

You can run MAF with the pimp, but SD is just easier & you don't really need sequential. My truck was just already modded for it.

Beats hell out of fiddle-farting with the limited tuning of stock stuff.


 
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Originally Posted by AuroraGirl
get a 1995 e150 5.0 or f150 5.0 computer, all of them will be MAF and EEC-IV
Mustangs had EEC-V but thats a whole other thing. You also may find help on eectuning.org
you COULD try to do obd2(I dont recommend it) because its a lot of extra work to oget obd2 to work and its not all that helpful since it has 1 year only parts for te enignes you could get it on (california 1996 5.8
 
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Old Jan 13, 2024 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AuroraGirl
get a 1995 e150 5.0 or f150 5.0 computer, all of them will be MAF and EEC-IV
Mustangs had EEC-V but thats a whole other thing. You also may find help on eectuning.org
Thanks for the idea!
Would I have to make any changes to the computer for it to run my 351 (5.8L) Windsor?
 
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Old Jan 13, 2024 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by AuroraGirl
you would need an aftermarket controller in addition to the holly. are you saying you have a 302 and an e4od? The original engine in that van must have been an inline 6 or a 351?

Also, just so you know, E4OD dont cool in reverse gear. Not sure if that should mean much to you but just dont leave it sitting in reverse unless you are moving

I have a 351 Windsor (5.8L) and the E4OD in my van. Good tip on the reverse! Thank you for that as I was not aware of the little peculiarity.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2024 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Scndsin
Those are "batch" or "catch" codes that ID certain engineering codes (describing year, engine, trans, etc.)

The basic 12A650 means "computer" in Ford parts speak, everything before & after describe "what for"

The pimp does fine as to what it needs to do with the supplied tuner studio allowing you to make the adjustments.

You can run MAF with the pimp, but SD is just easier & you don't really need sequential. My truck was just already modded for it.

Beats hell out of fiddle-farting with the limited tuning of stock stuff.
Thank you so much for the part number! Between this and the 5.0L ECU tip from auroragirl I think I'll be able to find a computer now!
 
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Old Jan 13, 2024 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bd96a3
Thank you so much for the part number! Between this and the 5.0L ECU tip from auroragirl I think I'll be able to find a computer now!
no ,5.0 and 5.8 computers are able to run the same engine esp if they are calibrated to do so.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2024 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bd96a3
I just read through the Holley web page about the Terminator X and see it does not include support for the E4OD. Any ideas how I would use the Holley product and still have control over the tranny?

You're right, they only claim control for the 4R70W on their web page and that requires Terminator X Max. Probably would be worth a call to their tech support. Just a hunch, but they claim to support Coyote engines with 4R70W and that's a combination that you will not find. Probably a marketing oversight.

On the other hand, Microsquirt does offer E4OD control. Same should hold for PimpX. https://www.diyautotune.com/shop/tra...on-controller/
 
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